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Old 04-08-2010, 10:19 PM
 
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blondesofmonroe: An atheist is one who does not believe. An agnostic is one who thinks it impossible to have any knowledge of whether there is a god/gods or not. Many agnostics are also atheists, since if one can have no knowledge, it makes no sense to believe. I suppose there are also agnostic theists, but their logic escapes me. I am an agnostic atheist, although I regard the existence of a deity as so unlikely that I can almost consider myself a gnostic atheist.
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Old 04-09-2010, 07:39 AM
 
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blondesofmonroe: An atheist is one who does not believe. An agnostic is one who thinks it impossible to have any knowledge of whether there is a god/gods or not. Many agnostics are also atheists, since if one can have no knowledge, it makes no sense to believe. I suppose there are also agnostic theists, but their logic escapes me. I am an agnostic atheist, although I regard the existence of a deity as so unlikely that I can almost consider myself a gnostic atheist.
I agree. As an Agnostic I find it hard to believe there isn't a being that we would consider a deity in this enormous universe yet there isn't any proof. This is a bit of a conundrum for me, well; Ive never seen an electron either.
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Old 04-09-2010, 10:52 AM
 
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I have never quite understood the hullabaloo over it. But I want to pick the atheist mind on how the rationale of fear mongering based on the President's religious affiliation can be justified.

Why would that be an issue in a democratic country? I have not heard ONE news channel, one anchor, one critic put this in their pipe and smoke on it.

Which raises another question. Do you tell people you are atheist? I guess for me, as a brown woman I am already half written off as a pagan, so I don't have pushing em' over the edge with 'I am an atheist'. But I wonder how others deal with it. Are you fearful, nervous, if not for yourselves, then for your children?
The rumors about him being something other than christian was created by christians desperate to elect yet another idiot that would be another christian warrior to slay all non-christian.

My preference would be for an Atheist president, someone that doesn't believe in the complete bunk that religion presents (any religion), and the dangers and hatred that is

George Bush, a 'born again' bible beater 'believed' that god 'told him' to go to war? Great we had a nut job that does have his finger on the button, who listened to the voices of insanity in his head believing they were the voice of god.

Fortunately he was an idiot and incompetent, or the US would probably be in 5 wars currently.

Yea, yea, I know Bush bashing is political and someone may complain, but it clearly points out the extreme danger that religion, any religion represents.
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Old 04-09-2010, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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Default So what if Obama WAS a Muslim?

IF he was, the Democratic Party would have never adopted him. He'd be "tainted goods", no matter how smart, pretty, convincing or otherwise talented he (arguably) is.

Politics is not about talent or ability, it's about salesmanship. If your product has a bad rep, it ain't gonna sell. Simple enough.
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Old 04-10-2010, 12:17 AM
 
Location: Murfreesboro (nearer Smyrna), TN
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...hurrying along the rapture
I have to laugh. This is to suppose God goes by OUR timetable.

Charles
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Old 04-10-2010, 09:37 PM
 
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I've had the same suspicion about him, though I can't quite put my finger on why I think that.
We know he is intelligent, which lends credibility to the possibility.
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Old 04-11-2010, 01:30 AM
 
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I had to change my religious affiliation on Facebook because all the messages and bible verses from old high school 'friends' got overwhelming. They stopped bothering me when I left it blank.
I'd have "unfriended" anyone who did that to me. It's rude.
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Old 04-12-2010, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Murfreesboro (nearer Smyrna), TN
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I don't care what religion our president is as long as he isn't a fanatic about it and shelves it before stepping into the oval office. I would not want a president that is a fundamentalist in any religion.
The founders acknowleded God and they not only won a war with the most powerful army in the world at the time, but kept the country together within there lifetimes. Lincoln acknowledged God and kept the nation together during the Civil War. During the 20th century, we obvertly stopped acknowledging God and it is has only gotten worse. Running the country without an acknowledgement of God is the reason it is now falling apart.

As far as whether the President is Muslim o not, it matters because there are some muslim orgainizations that have said they want this county to die. Since we don't know who, it is best not to have elected one to the Presidency.

Also, I think it is funny that there are so many people out there who don't think there is anything suspicious about Obama sealing or supressing his birth and some other records from the American people. THAT right there says he is hiding something. I am sure it is not anything damning; probably only embarressing or something else somewhat minor. He has stated that he wants openness and transparency but he is obviously hiding something - right from the beginning. Why should we trust him with anything else?

Charles

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Old 04-12-2010, 08:43 AM
 
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The founders acknowleded God and they not only won a war with the most powerful army in the world at the time, but kept the country together within there lifetimes.
Paying lip service to God in order to justify your actions as something greater than merely men lording over other men is not the same as worshipping or believing in god.

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Lincoln acknowledged God and kept the nation together during the Civil War. During the 20th century, we obvertly stopped acknowledging God and it is has only gotten worse. Running the country without an acknowledgement of God is the reason it is now falling apart.

The reasons it is falling apart have nothing to do with religion, and everything to do with the typical sociopolitical cycle of nations. There are numerous causes, fiat currency, political power creep, failure of the checks and balances, apathy of the people to defend their freedoms, the general erosion of the value of labor, etc.
Lincoln was either an atheist or a deist who hid his disbelief in order to achieve political power. Don't believe me? Here are a couple of quotes:

The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession.

My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change them.

It will not do to investigate the subject of religion too closely, as it is apt to lead to Infidelity.

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As far as whether the President is Muslim o not, it matters because there are some muslim orgainizations that have said they want this county to die. Since we don't know who, it is best not to have elected one to the Presidency.
And the Christians want to bring about the apocalypse. Trading one death-cult for another is not progress.

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Also, I think it is funny that there are so many people out there who don't think there is anything suspicious about Obama sealing or supressing his birth and some other records from the American people. THAT right there says he is hiding something. He has stated that he wants openness and transparency but he is obviously hiding something - right from the beginning. Why should we trust him with anything else?

Charles
Of course it is suspicious. Of course he has things to hide. He's the President of the United States, an office which no man capable of getting himself elected to should actually be allowed to hold! You cannot be President without being a two-faced, bald-faced, corrupt, lying sycophantic SOB with enough room in your backside for a dozen puppeteers to shove their hands and work your mouth.

There are many problems in this country, but religious freedom is one of the least.
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Old 04-12-2010, 10:43 AM
 
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Paying lip service to God in order to justify your actions as something greater than merely men lording over other men is not the same as worshipping or believing in god.

Lincoln was either an atheist or a deist who hid his disbelief in order to achieve political power. Don't believe me? Here are a couple of quotes:

The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession.

My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change them.

It will not do to investigate the subject of religion too closely, as it is apt to lead to Infidelity.

And the Christians want to bring about the apocalypse. Trading one death-cult for another is not progress.

Of course it is suspicious. Of course he has things to hide. He's the President of the United States, an office which no man capable of getting himself elected to should actually be allowed to hold! You cannot be President without being a two-faced, bald-faced, corrupt, lying sycophantic SOB with enough room in your backside for a dozen puppeteers to shove their hands and work your mouth.

There are many problems in this country, but religious freedom is one of the least.
I am willing to concede my assumptions on Lincoln. Thank You for the quotes. I will look more into those. Some of the founders were, no doubt, giving only lip service to God, but I would say not all of them. As for the Christians trying to bring about an apocalypse, some are, but most - the ones who are true to their faith, as I try to be - they are simply preparing for what they believe is coming. I can happily say they we agree almost exactly with the office and holders of the office of US President.

Charles
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