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Old 05-18-2010, 09:26 AM
 
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Originally Posted by imanway View Post
YES that is Existing

THEN WHY ?

Because of that there are Black sheep in every community may there are

some Muslims who are dishonest, unreliable cheat ..etc

and Do not adhere to the teachings of their religion ....

If you want to judge how good is the latest model of the "Mercedes"

car and a person who does not know how to drive sits at the steering

wheel and bangs up the car, who will you blame? The car or the driver?
Isn't Allah the driver here? Isn't he to blame?


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But naturally, the driver. To analyze how good the car is, a person

should not look at the driver but see the ability and features of the

car. How fast is it, what is its average fuel consumption, what are

the safety measures, etc. Even if I agree for the sake of argument

that the Muslims are bad, we can’t judge Islam by its followers? If

you want to judge how good Islam is then judge it according to its-

authentic sources, i.e. the Glorious Qur’an and the Sahih Hadith...
Isn't that like judging a car not by its performance but by it's advertising blurb?

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then , Judge Islam by its best follower i.e. Prophet Mohammed (pbuh)
As we both said above, the driver is responsible.


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If you practically want to check how good a car is put an expert

driver behind the steering wheel. Similarly the best and the most

exemplary follower of Islam by whom you can check how good Islam is

is the last and final messenger of God, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

Besides Muslims, there are several honest and unbiased non-Muslim

historians who have acclaimed that prophet Muhammad was the best human
being. According to Michael H. Hart who wrote the book, ‘The Hundred

Most Influential Men in History’, the topmost position, i.e. the number one

position goes to the beloved prophet of Islam, Muhammad

(pbuh). There are several such examples of non-Muslims paying great

tributes to the prophet, like Thomas Carlyle, La-Martine, etc...
There were plenty of people who thought that Hitler and Stalin were pretty wonderful too, until the propaganda was pulled away and we learned what was really going on.

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I am aware that there are some Disobedient Muslims ...It exists in all communities....

the media is in the hands of the westerners who are afraid of Islam..

The media is continuously...

broadcasting and printing information against Islam. They either

provide misinformation about Islam, misquote Islam or project a point

out of proportion ...

Islam will remain without doubt the best religion ..


Thank god


imanway
The 'No Real Christian' fallacy in a nutshell, plus conspiracy theory denial. special pleading..

I'm glad to have muslims posting here. The illogical, Faith - based and incredibly biased arguments posted must do more to discredit Islam than anything a non - believer could post.
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Old 05-18-2010, 01:22 PM
 
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Similarly the best and the most

exemplary follower of Islam by whom you can check how good Islam is

is the last and final messenger of God, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
OK . . . behold your precious prophet: Mohammed, "The Praised One," was born in 570 A.D. For most of his life he was unknown. He married a rich, older woman in the trading business, after successfully managing her enterprise. It was during his trading journeys that he became exposed to the ideas of monotheism from the Jews and Christians, most particularly the ideas of asceticism in Christianity. After a lonely vigil in the desert, he returned firmly convinced that the angel Gabriel had appeared to him in a vision and summoned him as a prophet. He was not well accepted, only thirteen followers, in his first three years. His own tribe gave his followers the despised name of Muslims, or Moslems, which at that time meant "traitors." The name, however, survived and today means "the reconciled" or "those who submit to Allah."

Mohammed needed funds and his followers were not the agricultural types. Therefore, he organized them into raiders to prey on caravans. This started Arabia's first major Holy War or Jihad. During this war, Islam spread from India through Egypt, Syria, Asia Minor, North Africa, Spain, and Constantinople. The Arabs were finally stopped at Tours, France, preventing the conquest of Europe. Islam had unknowingly strengthened the Roman Papacy by destroying Alexandria, Jerusalem, and Antioch; removing the Bishop of Carthage, and weakening the patriarchate at Constantinople. Islam firmly established the concept of worldly power through Jihad.

A stellar character indeed . . . if world conquest is your ideal (not very peaceful or tolerant) religion.
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Old 05-19-2010, 06:00 AM
 
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I not surprised. When I visited a muslim country I was approached by several pimps even though prositution was illegal there.
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Old 05-19-2010, 12:54 PM
 
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OK . . . behold your precious prophet: Mohammed, "The Praised One," was born in 570 A.D. For most of his life he was unknown. He married a rich, older woman in the trading business, after successfully managing her enterprise. It was during his trading journeys that he became exposed to the ideas of monotheism from the Jews and Christians, most particularly the ideas of asceticism in Christianity. After a lonely vigil in the desert, he returned firmly convinced that the angel Gabriel had appeared to him in a vision and summoned him as a prophet. He was not well accepted, only thirteen followers, in his first three years. His own tribe gave his followers the despised name of Muslims, or Moslems, which at that time meant "traitors." The name, however, survived and today means "the reconciled" or "those who submit to Allah."

Mohammed needed funds and his followers were not the agricultural types. Therefore, he organized them into raiders to prey on caravans. This started Arabia's first major Holy War or Jihad. During this war, Islam spread from India through Egypt, Syria, Asia Minor, North Africa, Spain, and Constantinople. The Arabs were finally stopped at Tours, France, preventing the conquest of Europe. Islam had unknowingly strengthened the Roman Papacy by destroying Alexandria, Jerusalem, and Antioch; removing the Bishop of Carthage, and weakening the patriarchate at Constantinople. Islam firmly established the concept of worldly power through Jihad.

A stellar character indeed . . . if world conquest is your ideal (not very peaceful or tolerant) religion.
I have to say that, when we sing from the same songsheet, you do a darn good descant.
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Old 05-19-2010, 02:02 PM
 
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You guys are misguided. These bars cater mostly to the Western people, and of course some locals who want to indulge.

Does anyone even realize that Dubai is the hotbed of business activity in the ME? You can even find a dude from Fiji in these bars for Pete's sake.

Dubai is not the yardstick for the middle east.
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Old 05-19-2010, 07:52 PM
 
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:d i have to say that, when we sing from the same songsheet, you do a darn good descant.
Thx.
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Old 05-20-2010, 05:36 AM
 
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Dubai is not the yardstick for the middle east.
Which country is?
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Old 05-20-2010, 08:00 PM
 
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You guys are misguided. These bars cater mostly to the Western people, and of course some locals who want to indulge.

Does anyone even realize that Dubai is the hotbed of business activity in the ME? You can even find a dude from Fiji in these bars for Pete's sake.

Dubai is not the yardstick for the middle east.
Out of all the wonderful (and not so wonderful) places in the world, why would one want to go to Dubai? To each his own, I guess.
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