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Old 06-10-2010, 06:09 AM
 
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There cannot be any errors in Quran as it has not been written by any human being. It's the God's Word. No book on the face of the earth has ever existed nor will ever exist in future that is as perfect as Holy Quran.

Understanding this needs accurate learning of Quran and also a mind which has the ability to accept the reality..
In other words, Quran proves Quran. That doesn't exactly make a case.
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Old 06-10-2010, 06:29 AM
 
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In other words, Quran proves Quran. That doesn't exactly make a case.
somehow it make a case , may be from another approach or point of view like these verses for example

4-82-Do they not then consider the Qur'an carefully? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein many a contradiction.
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Old 06-13-2010, 03:51 PM
 
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Just like the bible thumpers cannot prove the bible with the bible, you koran thumpers cannot prove the koran with the koran. It does't work so why even try?
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Old 06-13-2010, 05:36 PM
 
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Well,My dear you are in state of mind of not to accept the reality. There cannot be any errors in Quran as it has not been written by any human being. It's the God's Word. No book on the face of the earth has ever existed nor will ever exist in future that is as perfect as Holy Quran.

Understanding this needs accurate learning of Quran and also a mind which has the ability to accept the reality..
It needs a mind indoctrinated from birth not to think for itself and follow rote memorized nonsense from an illiterate trader bent on world conquest who stole most of the good and decent principles from Christ. It is perpetuated in ignorance and dependent on ignorance to accept it as understanding anything about God.
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Old 06-13-2010, 09:13 PM
 
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The world is moving towards destruction every minute.
No it isn't......except of course, for the Muslims in the Islamic world.....Muslims seem to be trying to destroy themselves quickly..........and the sooner the better.
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Old 06-14-2010, 02:50 AM
 
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No it isn't......except of course, for the Muslims in the Islamic world.....Muslims seem to be trying to destroy themselves quickly..........and the sooner the better.
I don't understand why you people always keep bashing Islam. Is this what you've learnt. Tell you what Muslims are never going to destroy, stop living in a fools paradise. Islam will rule the world one day.
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Old 06-14-2010, 06:34 AM
 
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I don't understand why you people always keep bashing Islam. Is this what you've learnt.
Its what islam has taught us.........

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Tell you what Muslims are never going to destroy, stop living in a fools paradise.
show me an islamic country where muslims of one type or another isn't trying to destroy something. for every peaceful islamic country I can show you 5 that have terrorist and economic problems.

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Islam will rule the world one day.
Islam will be a footnote in history....as relevant as Japanese warlords or communist dictators. When people wake up to the elthey will run from it. the only way to keep a person muslim today is to pass laws requiring it. Free people do not voluntarily choose islam unless they are born to it and brainwashed from an early age.
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Old 06-14-2010, 08:36 AM
 
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I don't understand why you people always keep bashing Islam. Is this what you've learnt. Tell you what Muslims are never going to destroy, stop living in a fools paradise. Islam will rule the world one day.
You answered your own question in the same post.. The barbaric and evil desire to RULE the whole world . . . is WHY we despise your religion.
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Old 06-14-2010, 08:46 AM
 
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I don't understand why you people always keep bashing Islam. Is this what you've learnt. Tell you what Muslims are never going to destroy, stop living in a fools paradise. Islam will rule the world one day.
And you see Muhammad, this is what it always comes down to, and that is why people are repelled by your religion. I don't think there is one of us on this board, of any religion, that would make that sort of claim. I was almost going to say so "forcefully" - but the fact is that NONE of us would make that claim period.

A true test of your religion is the ability to have it questioned, sometimes in a hurtful manner, but to still stay true to it without having to resort to threats. Why is it SO important that the whole world buckle to Islam? Isn't it enough for you that YOU have found YOUR truth on earth? Why subject your will onto others?

With the exception of Atheists, aren't we all praising the one God - no matter how we get there?
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Old 06-14-2010, 11:21 AM
 
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Cool The Predictable Result of Islam's Hostile Attitude

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It’s really no surprise that a band of murdering, raping thieves (a.k.a. believers) would turn on each other as soon as their charismatic leader died.


... they no longer had to pay the taxes and where many areas of scientific methods were closed to them for being un-Islamic. Multiply that from the individual level to the national level and you can see the effect it would have on a country: stagnation. That is why Muslim countries' progress in scientific fields (and virtually all non-military fields) grinds to a halt a few generations after Muslim conquest.

I'd add that the dependency of the military on scientific research is why those Islamic countries have to purchase their military technology from Russia, China, or N. Korea (who in turn purchase theirs from China, Russia, etc.). Look what the
West's overwhelming scientific advantage did to Russia's Cold War economy! Even they could not begin to compete. The A-10 Warthog alone successfully stopped the development of an entire new array of Russian battlefield armament, tank designs and artillery. All useless in the face of that Gatling cannon. Saddam's "Mother of all battles"? Over in two days.

It's why the impending-future (and even some current battalion...) US soldiers will have ongoing live-feed real time digital battlefield strategic and tactical awareness in his heads-up display, coupled with awesome backup from the artillery brigade, the Air Force, and drone and satellite surveillance feeds. Too bad for anyone taking that all on. Shear numbers of massed opposition will only
mean that very large numbers of mis-led and naive young men will be slaughtered en-route to their Paradise.

Since the Islamic state leadership already knows this cold hard tactical fact, they have resorted to calling abject acts of cowardice as actions of a true Islamic warrior, to be honored and respected and rewarded with a quick trip to those waiting virgins. (They understand the hormone-soaked minds of young men for sure! Best to take advantage of that situation before they grow wiser and more thoughtful.)

Just how naive can you get? Apparently quite so....

The way to get out of this state is to have respected Islamic authority figures declare dhimnitude a thing of the past and the Pack of Umar no longer applicable. Then tax revenue and labor would not depend unequally on non-Believers. Also, Muslims must be free to employ the scientific method. Acknowledging the scientific method is considered blasphemy because it puts limitation on Allah. Allah's hand is unfettered
More appropriately, such adherents should now realize that, just as with the bible, blindered obedience to any single frozen-in-time ancient manifesto, whether it be The Qu'Ran or the bible or the Mayan Book of Witchcraft, are all essentially doomed to fail. Such tomes cannot begin to adapt to the ever-changing world, with it's ever-accumulating knowledge that clearly flies in the face of the old stagnant and implausible myths and fantasies.

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Western secular democracies don't seem to be in these depressive states that you mention. Perhaps abandoning the idea that religion should be in control of government would be a good starting point to move towards the prosperity you seem to be looking for.
Agreed. Abandoning a thuggist theocracy is the first step to true enlightenment, but those in power there do not see it that way, given the power struggles and advantages such ancient illiteracy-based lifestyles promulgate for them.

Islam requires an illiterate, subservient and fanatical peasantry to survive, and they are happy to keep it that way through strict limits on education and critical thinking. Note their vast and lethal over-reaction to a simple Danish cartoon, or to the more sophisticated but nonetheless fictional writings of Dr. Salman Rushdie.

Their terror of knowledge and inquisitiveness is palpable. And will be their eventual downfall, BTW.


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...if you actually read the quran ALL of these would make sense. there not even contradictions, theyre just questioning the quran which is explained in the hadiths. its so funny when people type in "quran contradictions" in google, click on the link and see a bunch of words then post that link on a forum and say HA CONTRADICTION. not even close. but good tr-... i mean try again

So... there are no contradictions in your Qu'Ran? Amazing!


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There cannot be any errors in Quran as it has not been written by any human being. It's the God's Word. No book on the face of the earth has ever existed nor will ever exist in future that is as perfect as Holy Quran.

Wow! I Had No Idea! Mystic, did you know this? I stand corrected in my obvious mis-interpretations! We have much to learn, folks!

Understanding this needs accurate learning of Quran and also a mind which has the ability to accept the reality..

Yep; that's the ticket o be sure. A mind which can accept "the reality". and never question it [or else!], though it surely needs questioning. As duly noted here...


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It needs a mind indoctrinated from birth not to think for itself and follow rote memorized nonsense from an illiterate trader bent on world conquest who stole most of the good and decent principles from Christ. It is perpetuated in ignorance and dependent on ignorance to accept it as understanding anything about God.
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I don't understand why you people always keep bashing Islam.

What? Really? WHY we bash Islam? You really ask this in all honesty?

You answer your own question right here...


Is this what you've learnt. Tell you what Muslims are never going to destroy, stop living in a fools paradise. Islam will rule the world one day.
So.. in this modern world, where our vast overpopulation requires that we all try to get along and help each other with tolerance and science, to solve the problems that arise on a near-daily basis, the solution in your mind is for Islam to dominate and kill off all those who do not comply?

Tell me: do you understand unrestrained fusion reactions? Just curious about the level of your personal scientific education you understand....


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And you see Muhammad, this is what it always comes down to, and that is why people are repelled by your religion. I don't think there is one of us on this board, of any religion, that would make that sort of claim. I was almost going to say so "forcefully" - but the fact is that NONE of us would make that claim period.

A true test of your religion [or of any religion or belief, for that matter, cokatie...] is the ability to have it questioned, sometimes in a hurtful manner, but to still stay true to it without having to resort to threats. Why is it SO important that the whole world buckle to Islam? Isn't it enough for you that YOU have found YOUR truth on earth? Why subject your will onto others?

With the exception of Atheists, aren't we all praising the one God - no matter how we get there?
But "subject" they will, and thus the end result is quite predictable. They will, of necessity, be eliminated in our self-defense, and in favor of a vastly more tolerant and peaceful world. As were the Nazis and Fascists and the Russian cold War thug-ocracy, and soon enough the North Koreans.

All predictable, all ending up in the same place.

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