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Old 05-26-2010, 07:09 AM
 
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The world is moving towards destruction every minute. Being the part of the Muslim youth it is quite difficult for me to understand the meaning of Islam and Muslim as almost everyone has a difference of opinion on the in the ideological beliefs. They have the same scripture, same prophet that and one God that they agree upon yet they conflict even after they have guidance. Everyone has a different definition of Muslim and Islam. There are certain unanswered Questions which create a state of ambiguity in the minds of the Muslims directly or indirectly. The question is:

1. Why do we have Conflicting ideologies and beliefs when we have one book to follow?
2. Is the reason of the depressive state of Muslim all over the world is due to the classification and conflicting ideologies?
3. And it is quite important to know How to get out of this depressive state to fight back against the forces of proponents of non-Islamic forces?

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Old 05-26-2010, 07:22 AM
 
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Hmm, a call to fight back against "proponents of non-Islamic forces". Who ever could those forces be, and do they also control the banking system and the shadow world government, he asked knowingly (wink, wink).
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Old 05-26-2010, 07:44 AM
 
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But if you're uninvolved one is allowed all opinions concerning the welfare and how it relates to science. If you're involved, power to the people FOR NO CAUSE AT ALL. That is the dream of democracy, which originally began with peace and detente.

Like the freedom Ostrich said: they will find no waste in development. I can ignore that part of the honest peoples' pretensions at falsehood.
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Old 05-26-2010, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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There are certain unanswered Questions which create a state of ambiguity in the minds of the Muslims directly or indirectly. The question is:

1. Why do we have Conflicting ideologies and beliefs when we have one book to follow?
Well, the conflict between the Sunni and Shia started after the assassination of the caliph, Uthman, by Muslims that were unhappy with his rule. That set off a power struggle that resulted in many murders, assassination, and mysterious deaths of caliphs for years to come. Itís really no surprise that a band of murdering, raping thieves (a.k.a. believers) would turn on each other as soon as their charismatic leader died.

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2. Is the reason of the depressive state of Muslim all over the world is due to the classification and conflicting ideologies?
No, not really. All four schools if Sunni jurisprudence (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i, and Hanbali) as well as the Ja'fari school of Shia Islam mostly agree on the major points.
The depressive (that's subjective) state of Muslims today is largely due to the dhimmi system where non-Muslims are forced to pay all the taxes and do all the work. After successive generation of that their descendents converted to Islam, whereupon they no longer had to pay the taxes and where many areas of scientific methods were closed to them for being un-Islamic. Multiply that from the individual level to the national level and you can see the effect it would have on a country: stagnation. That is why Muslim countries' progress in scientific fields (and virtually all non-military fields) grinds to a halt a few generations after Muslim conquest.

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3. And it is quite important to know How to get out of this depressive state to fight back against the forces of proponents of non-Islamic forces?
The way to get out of this state is to have respected Islamic authority figures declare dhimnitude a thing of the past and the Pack of Umar no longer applicable. Then tax revenue and labor would not depend unequally on non-Believers. Also, Muslims must be free to employ the scientific method. Acknowledging the scientific method is considered blasphemy because it puts limitation on Allah. Allah's hand is unfettered
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Old 05-26-2010, 10:53 AM
 
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Hmm, a call to fight back against "proponents of non-Islamic forces". Who ever could those forces be, and do they also control the banking system and the shadow world government, he asked knowingly (wink, wink).
Uh oh...that sounds, how shall I say, insidious!
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Old 05-27-2010, 05:05 AM
 
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Kindly propose a solution for the questions with evidence.
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Old 05-27-2010, 06:15 AM
 
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Western secular democracies don't seem to be in these depressive states that you mention. Perhaps abandoning the idea that religion should be in control of government would be a good starting point to move towards the prosperity you seem to be looking for.
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Old 05-27-2010, 11:03 AM
 
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1. Why do we have Conflicting ideologies and beliefs when we have one book to follow?
Muhammad, welcome to the world of religions. Your complaints certainly are not exclusive to Islam when you consider the diversity of conflicting ideologies and beliefs that run rampant throughout Christianity, it is the nature of religion.

Written by men to serve man's purposes, and interpreted by men to suit their own.
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Old 05-27-2010, 08:59 PM
 
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Asalamalakum brother Muhammad Emmad, the questions you ask have already been revealed in the quran and authentic hadiths.

1. Why do we have Conflicting ideologies and beliefs when we have one book to follow?

The Messenger (sallallaah ‘alayhe wa sallam) said,
“The Jews split into 71 sects, and the Christians split into 72 sects. My nation is going to split into 73 sects, and all of them will be in the Hellfire except one.”
It was said, “Who are they, O Messenger of Allaah?” He replied,
“They those who are upon what I and my Companions are upon.”

it has already been prophesied that the 3 main religions of the world (Moses-Jews, Jesus Christ-Christians, and the final messenger of Allah, Muhammad-Islam) We all believe in ONE lord. Christians have him broken up into 3 parts which is not right but still, all three of the main religions of the world believe in ONE GOD. the owner of the day of judgment, the creator of the heavens and of the earth. but yet all of us are split into a total of 216 different sects of the belief of Allah.
You can't stop what Allah has willed. Just have comfort in knowing that we, as muslims, aer the only religion that KNEW this was going to happen.

2. Is the reason of the depressive state of Muslim all over the world is due to the classification and conflicting ideologies?

only Allah knows what the real reason is behind islam, christianity and judaism, breaking up into different sects is. but you must PROVE that what you have is the truth. Allah gave you a mind, use it. see that Islam is the right path. it says in the quran and in the bible..

Verse 2:111 : and they say "None shall enter the paradise unless he be a jew or a christian." These are their own vein desires. Say (O Muhammad Peace be upon him), "Produce your proof if you are truthful."


1 Thessalonians 5:21: but prove all things, hold fast the right;

You must search for proof to find the true word of Allah.

3. And it is quite important to know How to get out of this depressive state to fight back against the forces of proponents of non-Islamic forces?


this sounds more like a statement. maybe you can make it in a form of a question so i can better understand what you mean.
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Old 05-28-2010, 02:00 PM
 
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1. Why do we have Conflicting ideologies and beliefs when we have one book to follow?
I assume that you are writing only to other Muslims, as if they are the only people in the world who have rights, but in reality there are a multitude of books to follow. Or alternatively, one could actually think for himself.

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3. And it is quite important to know How to get out of this depressive state to fight back against the forces of proponents of non-Islamic forces?
I really hope your theology, and other theisms which seek to dominate the world with a particular theocratic regime, fail.

Uh-oh, I feel a fatwa coming on.
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