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Old 06-01-2010, 08:31 PM
 
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Default it takes more faith to believe in evolution than it does to believe in Allah...

reasons why i think this...

the theory of evolution has not even been fulfilled yet but yet people believe in it...

they believe the unseen/unkown evidence will 'someday' be found...

agree or disagree??
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Old 06-01-2010, 08:49 PM
 
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reasons why i think this...

the theory of evolution has not even been fulfilled yet but yet people believe in it...

they believe the unseen/unkown evidence will 'someday' be found...

agree or disagree??
Disagree.

It takes faith to believe in a god.

The theory of evolution is one of the most compete theories in science. To say evolution never happen, in comparable to saying the sun orbits the earth and they sky is made up of crystal spheres.

Evidence for evolution
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Old 06-01-2010, 08:55 PM
 
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Disagree. Your premises are based on lies and false information.

1. I don't know what you mean by the claim that evolution is 'not fulfilled,' but the theory is substantiated by all the evidence. It's not some crackpot hypothesis unsubstantiated by evidence. It is in fact, the exact opposite.

2. Things that are currently unknown will most probably become known when better and more sophisticated equipment are invented. An example of this is how the process of storms used to be unknown, but now we have found what causes them etc. The fact that there are current unknowns doesn't disprove evolution, especially when evolution is supported by all the evidence.

3. Evolution is not a concept exclusive to atheism. Many believers accept evolution. Here's even a muslim scientist who both believes in Allah and accepts evolution- Salman Hameed

10 Minutes With...10 minutes with … Salman Hameed (http://www.religionnews.com/index.php?/tenminutes/10_minutes_with_salman_hameed/ - broken link)

I don't see why creationists always try and paint evolution as a part of atheism. There are even atheists whom don't believe in evolution.

Evolution is a sound and complete theory(scientific theory) and takes no faith to believe in. God isn't substantiated by evidence and therefore takes faith to believe in.
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Old 06-01-2010, 08:56 PM
 
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Disagree.

It takes faith to believe in a god.

The theory of evolution is one of the most compete theories in science. To say evolution never happen, in comparable to saying the sun orbits the earth and they sky is made up of crystal spheres.

Evidence for evolution
this really doesnt change that fact that its not fulfilled. the whole reason its still a theory is because theres still gaps and things that need to be found to complete the theory. this is the point. the theory is based on many theories, ie, all that can be proven is the science that poeple who DONT believe in evolution can agree with. i dont disagree with science but the theory of evolution is not fact yet. its just a really big theory that hasnt been proven. im sure theres lots of evidence but it can still be disproven is my point which is why it still remains a theory. like gravity. it can be disproven...
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Old 06-01-2010, 09:04 PM
 
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Disagree. Your premises are based on lies and false information.

1. I don't know what you mean by the claim that evolution is 'not fulfilled,' but the theory is substantiated by all the evidence. It's not some crackpot hypothesis unsubstantiated by evidence. It is in fact, the exact opposite.

2. Things that are currently unknown will most probably become known when better and more sophisticated equipment are invented. An example of this is how the process of storms used to be unknown, but now we have found what causes them etc. The fact that there are current unknowns doesn't disprove evolution, especially when evolution is supported by all the evidence.

3. Evolution is not a concept exclusive to atheism. Many believers accept evolution. Here's even a muslim scientist who both believes in Allah and accepts evolution- Salman Hameed

10 Minutes With...10 minutes with Salman Hameed (http://www.religionnews.com/index.php?/tenminutes/10_minutes_with_salman_hameed/ - broken link)

I don't see why creationists always try and paint evolution as a part of atheism. There are even atheists whom don't believe in evolution.

Evolution is a sound and complete theory(scientific theory) and takes no faith to believe in. God isn't substantiated by evidence and therefore takes faith to believe in.
my point is theres things that are unknown and those unknown things are needed to prove the theory right? or else by now it wouldnt b a theory
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Old 06-01-2010, 09:06 PM
 
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I believe you've got it all wrong. It's very easy to have faith in things that are make believe and unprovable.

It doesn't take faith to believe in evolution; it takes time and dedication to learn about such things. It's much easier and lazier to assume "god musta done it" when you want an answer to something, rather than take time to read a book on biology and understand it.

Faith is easy, knowledge isn't.
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Old 06-01-2010, 09:08 PM
 
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this really doesnt change that fact that its not fulfilled. the whole reason its still a theory is because theres still gaps and things that need to be found to complete the theory. this is the point.
You still completely ignore the fact that evolution is a scientific theory(what you consider to be a fact). It's not a layman's theory.

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the theory is based on many theories, ie, all that can be proven is the science that poeple who DONT believe in evolution can agree with.
Evolution is proven by science. Maybe you should stop relying on whatever creationist books/websites tell you and start learning about it from credible sources(people who actually work in the evolutionary biology, anthropology and paleontology).

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i dont disagree with science but the theory of evolution is not fact yet.
Evolution is a fact. It is


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its just a really big theory that hasnt been proven. im sure theres lots of evidence but it can still be disproven is my point which is why it still remains a theory.
The fact that it can be falsified makes it good science. A claim that is immune to disproof is pseudoscientific nonsense. A multitude of tests have tried to disprove evolution, but all have failed. The quran can't be disproven. That doesn't make it true though. It's claims are unfalsifiable and based on undetectable claims which makes it anti science.

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like gravity. it can be disproven...
So now you're saying gravity isn't real?
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Old 06-01-2010, 09:09 PM
 
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this really doesnt change that fact that its not fulfilled. the whole reason its still a theory is because theres still gaps and things that need to be found to complete the theory. this is the point. the theory is based on many theories, ie, all that can be proven is the science that poeple who DONT believe in evolution can agree with. i dont disagree with science but the theory of evolution is not fact yet. its just a really big theory that hasnt been proven. im sure theres lots of evidence but it can still be disproven is my point which is why it still remains a theory. like gravity. it can be disproven...
In science a theory doesn't mean a guess or a hunch. A theory will always be a theory, and a law will always be a law. A scientific theory will never become a law, and a law has never been a theory.

A scientific law is a description of an observed phenomenon. But they do not explain why. If all scientists ever did was to formulate scientific laws, then the universe would be well described, but unexplained and mysterious.

A theoryis a scientific explanation of an observed phenomenon. Unlike laws, theories explain why phenomenons are the way they are.

Evolution has happen and still is, the theory of evolution explains WHY.
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Old 06-01-2010, 09:13 PM
 
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my point is theres things that are unknown and those unknown things are needed to prove the theory right? or else by now it wouldnt b a theory
Still clueless on what a scientific theory is I see. Evolution is a scientific theory, although it would better be called a paradigm since it has withstood 150 years of rigorous testing and scrutiny, only to be proven correct every single time. You don't need to have 100% knowledge to classify something as a scientific theory. There is overwhelming evidence that proves the principles of evolution. Just because we don't know everything doesn't make it unsubstantiated. I don't see why creationists have such a difficult time understanding the difference between a scientific theory and a layman's theory.
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Old 06-01-2010, 09:14 PM
 
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You still completely ignore the fact that evolution is a scientific theory(what you consider to be a fact). It's not a layman's theory.



Evolution is proven by science. Maybe you should stop relying on whatever creationist books/websites tell you and start learning about it from credible sources(people who actually work in the evolutionary biology, anthropology and paleontology).



Evolution is a fact. It is




The fact that it can be falsified makes it good science. A claim that is immune to disproof is pseudoscientific nonsense. A multitude of tests have tried to disprove evolution, but all have failed. The quran can't be disproven. That doesn't make it true though. It's claims are unfalsifiable and based on undetectable claims which makes it anti science.



So now you're saying gravity isn't real?

im saying gravity can be disproven, by someone who knows alot more about science than i do but what doesnt make sense to me is that you yourself, just said that evolution can be proven wrong...

if it can be proven wrong that obviously means its not right, or not at the moment at least...

so your trying to prove something that can be disproven... by the same people that try and prove it.. meaning you...

isnt this some sort of circular reasoning? that you can be right and wrong? or proven right and proven wrong? so whats the arguement if it can be both right and wrong...? and how does that even make sense? something cant be right if its wrong...
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