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Old 01-14-2013, 03:51 AM
 
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It is a fairly well - known fact that 7 out of 10 of the cities in America with the highest violent crime rate (over 100K population) are from the 20 largest African American majority cities (by percentage).

Jackson MS has the second largest African American population in the country but a relatively low rank by violent crime rate.

Why do you suppose Jackson is a major exception? (No disrespect meant by this question)

City Population: Ranked by Highest Violent Crime Rate for 2011
Flint 102,357 *
Detroit 713,239 *
St. Louis 320,454 *
Oakland 395,317
Memphis 652,725 *
Little Rock 194,988
Birmingham 213,258 *
Atlanta 425,533 *
Baltimore 626,848 *
Stockton 295,136


Rank City Percentage African American
Rank City Percentage African American
1 Detroit, Michigan 82.7 *
2 Jackson, Mississippi 79.4
3 Miami Gardens, Florida 76.3
4 Birmingham, Alabama 73.4 *
5 Baltimore, Maryland 63.7 *
6 Memphis, Tennessee 63.3 *
7 New Orleans, Louisiana 60.2
8 Baton Rouge, Louisiana 58.5
9 Flint, Michigan 56.6 *
10 Savannah, Georgia 55.4
11 Augusta, Georgia 54.7
12 Shreveport, Louisiana 54.7
13 Montgomery, Alabama 54.5
14 Atlanta, Georgia 54.0 *
15 Cleveland, Ohio 53.3
16 Newark, New Jersey 52.4
17 Washington, D.C. 50.7
18 Richmond, Virginia 50.6
19 Mobile, Alabama 50.6
20 St. Louis, Missouri 49.2 *
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Old 01-19-2013, 12:26 PM
 
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First of all, Jackson is extremely spread-out. Sprawl serves to insulate people from one another.

Strong Evangelical Christianity has played a major role, too. People are taught to be kind, polite, tolerant, through a Christian perspective. Mississippians of all races and classes, for this reason, often are incapable of relaying even basic information, having to filter everything through so many layers of diplomacy. Like someone said, "You can ask somebody what day it is, and by the time they're through putting it diplomatically, you still won't know what day it is". But the upside of this is that they're kindly folk, for the most part. Again, all that diplomacy and socialistic Christian training serves to insulate... to reduce friction.

And it is important to consider HOW Jackson's Blacks arrived in the city. Most are descended from servants who accompanied senators and legislaturemen to the Capital. They were the smartest and nicest. And they were well acquainted with the rules of decorum and the winning life strategies which had elevated their employers to such exalted status. Better genetics + better enculturation.

Many of Jackson's blacks came to the Capital in the same way that my Husband and I did. We went through college on minority scholarships, and then needed somewhere to go. Jackson was within reach. And we knew people there. So there we landed. Going back home was certainly not an option. There was nothing for us there. And that describes most people in the Jackson Metro, regardless of race or social class. We were not content to sit in tiny hamlets for the rest of our lives, and were looking for someplace to build our lives.

Jackson is hardly paradise. It's sort of a ghost town. City Government is a never-ending comedy act. The whites remaining inside the city proper, as in New Orleans, tend to be misfits or substance abusers of one sort of another (except for a few in the wealthy enclaves, and the 'hip' enclaves flanking the giant University Medical Center). Most Blacks there are decent people, living the best they can, in what our janitors used to tell me was a vast war zone (a war, essentially, between an amorphous group of problematic males and everybody else).

Jackson has a sizable Black aristocracy, a large Black upper middle class, and a vast Black middle class. They're quite lovely people. However, the tendency is for these people to move, along with their white peers, to the better residential areas outside Jackson. So I have to wonder for how long the relative niceness of the city (as compared with hells-on-Earth like Flint and Detroit) will endure.

Another something which just popped into my mind is Scottishness. Most of Mississippi's more upstanding citizens, regardless of where they stand on the black-to-white color continuum, are Scotsmen (whether they realize it or not... by enculturation and/or genetics). Scots are the third wealthiest ethnic group in America. And they got there through thrift/prudence/industriousness, rather than though cheating others. Scots were the first nation (if one does not count Hebrews...and does not count Scots as Hebrews as some do) to achieve universal literacy. They're smart, and perhaps more importantly, are prone to extreme moderation in behavior and expression. I wish, sometimes, that I were one of them. As I said at the beginning, Jackson's blacks are largely descended from the best retainers of the most savvy aristocrats. If Jackson is truly less violent than the other cities on your second list, then perhaps some of that difference can be attributed to a higher percentage of Scottish threads in the fabric of that city's society.
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And another little something which may be more important than anything else:

Mississippi's Blacks and Whites have been coexisting for two solid centuries. Together, they form one single culture...almost a sort of nation. There are enormous amounts of empathy, understanding, and cooperation ongoing between those primary groups forming that nation. Yes, I know what Big Media tells you. Big Media has an agenda, and it's pretty much the Frankfurt School's agenda (destroying America). For the most part, efforts by outsiders to disrupt the affection Mississippi's Blacks and Whites have for each other have failed.

I've seen their interactions. Despite incessant bombardment with hatred-training from TV/Movies/'educators', Blacks and Whites in Mississippi care about each other. Their interactions are relatively easy. And this makes the higher-than-average amount of involvement by the white community more effective. Jackson leads the nation in volunteerism and charitable giving. Maybe this reduces violence.

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Old 03-10-2013, 03:48 PM
 
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Not disagreeing with the prior answer, but Jackson's crime statistics are not notably well-kept. You may wish to check current figures since more demands have been put upon the police dept regarding recording and reporting.

Another factor is that Jackson is surrounded by dramatically more affluent areas. Want to steal a nice car? Head out to Madison or Brandon. Conversely Jackson is bounded by Ridgeland and Pearl and other suburbs which have quite a number of apartments and rental units. While Jackson does too, the population in these units seems to be less fluid. Previous poster makes a good point about the larger black middle class population. I think that is the main reason for the statistics you quote.

It would be interesting to check the amount of public housing and the type. I suspect Jackson's complexes are dwarfed by the size and 'warehouse mentality' which have been constructed in cities such as Detroit. That type housing usually increases crime and erodes the neighborhood spirit which helps to contain crime. There are still some impressively violent stretches in Jackson, and most of them in totally black neighborhoods, but the citizens of both colors in the city are familiar with these and mostly avoid them unless 'looking for trouble.'
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Old 03-13-2013, 09:58 PM
 
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I wouldn't call at least one shooting per day in the city a low crime rate, but that's just my opinion.
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Old 03-17-2013, 09:37 PM
 
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I wouldn't call at least one shooting per day in the city a low crime rate, but that's just my opinion.
I didn't say "low", I said it is considerably lower than other African American majority cities. As some people suggested it has a long history as a mixed city compared to some northern cities, but it was a relatively small place and did not explode in population until mid 20th century. So it had the same level of immigration as Detroit, although people probably came from a lot closer.

Being bible belt, I thought maybe the church had something to do with it, but Memphis is probably as much bible belt as Jackson MS.

Maybe it is wealth. But Atlanta is certainly wealthier than Jackson, and it has a higher violent crime rate. I didn't look for measures of distribution of wealth.

My post also highlighted cities with high violent crime rates but which are not AA majority cities.

I have not seen any research into this subject area. Many people directly associate high violent crime with AA majority cities. There is some correlation, but it is far from absolute.
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Old 10-31-2013, 01:19 PM
 
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So, do you see this as a "relatively" safe place for a SBF to relocate?
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Old 10-31-2013, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Madison, MS
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There should be a crime map somewhere online.
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Old 10-31-2013, 06:14 PM
 
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Anything in Madison or Rankin County is relatively crime free. Same for Clinton and Byram in Hinds County outside Jackson. In Jackson proper, most (not all) people living in Northeast Jackson live their entire lives with the worst thing being perhaps a teenager one time breaking in, setting the alarm off, and taking a tv...although yes there are the horror stories from time to time. Downtown is safe. Much of Southwest, West and Northwest Jackson and probably some of the apartment complexes in Northeast Jackson do have very high crime typical of inner cities in most metro areas.
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Old 11-01-2013, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Jackson, Mississippi
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I would say, East and Northeast Jackson are all generally safe. I go running at Parham Bridges Park at Old Canton and Ridgewood and I have a friend living in some townhouses right there as well. Downtown is safe as well, just don't cross the Woodrow Wilson bridge going West, cause you hit the bad as soon as you do. Anything West of there is generally unsafe, especially the area of Flag Chapel Road, that area is extremely unsafe. Downtown, just don't go under the railroad tracks and you'll be fine. Capitol City Art Lofts and Capitol & West both on Capitol Street are opening next year as apartments and condos so that should add more life to Capitol Street. Overall, everything downtown is fine and safe as long as you don't cross over into the Western part of the city, generally everything is dried up and decaying in that area.
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Old 11-04-2013, 02:55 PM
 
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As long as you keep a level of situational awareness, you will be fine downtown; however, there is not much happening down here outside of 7-5 Mon-Fri. You will have to drive for most shopping, entertainment and dining (there are a limited number of restaurants downtown). It is no more unsafe than any other southern metro downtown.

If you can afford it, live in Flowood or Madison.
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