Will Jackson ever have another major shopping mall (renting, credit card)

[zblanton1]

Originally Posted by Jeff Steele

I agree.

Mainly because indoor malls are a thing of the past, or are becoming a thing of the past. More outdoors malls are being built as we speak such as the District at Eastover, the Meridian at Fondren, & the place in Clinton.

[Neshomamench]

Originally Posted by zblanton1

Mainly because indoor malls are a thing of the past, or are becoming a thing of the past. More outdoors malls are being built as we speak such as the District at Eastover, the Meridian at Fondren, & the place in Clinton.

Indoor malls are not a "thing of the past." They are doing quite well in stable and safe areas. They are certainly declining in terms of new construction but again, there will continue to be new ones and old ones that thrive.

The rise of the outdoor mall is mostly a response to thugs and criminals creeping into malls to hang out and commit crime. That is what kills malls. Outdoor malls remove a lot of the practicalities of loitering all day.

Malls represent a massive capital investment and once one is perceived as a "bad mall" because of a demographic shift, it enters into a death spiral that it almost always permanent. Companies were building malls and seeing them go "bad" within a decade. Oddly enough, one of the number one indicators that a mall was about to start going bad was the locating of a new bus stop near the mall.

It is hoped that the national trend of outdoor centers will curb the problem.

Malls want women and old people during the day with a mixed multitude at night and on weekends. When you have teens hanging out during the day, that is the start of the end.

[zblanton1]

Originally Posted by Neshomamench

Indoor malls are not a "thing of the past." They are doing quite well in stable and safe areas. They are certainly declining in terms of new construction but again, there will continue to be new ones and old ones that thrive.

The rise of the outdoor mall is mostly a response to thugs and criminals creeping into malls to hang out and commit crime. That is what kills malls. Outdoor malls remove a lot of the practicalities of loitering all day.

Malls represent a massive capital investment and once one is perceived as a "bad mall" because of a demographic shift, it enters into a death spiral that it almost always permanent. Companies were building malls and seeing them go "bad" within a decade. Oddly enough, one of the number one indicators that a mall was about to start going bad was the locating of a new bus stop near the mall.

It is hoped that the national trend of outdoor centers will curb the problem.

Malls want women and old people during the day with a mixed multitude at night and on weekends. When you have teens hanging out during the day, that is the start of the end.

Are you suggesting that the area Northpark Mall is located, is not a safe area?

[Neshomamench]

Originally Posted by zblanton1

Are you suggesting that the area Northpark Mall is located, is not a safe area?

I defy you to articulate a compelling argument why you think I suggested such a thing.

[preguntas]

Originally Posted by Neshomamench

I defy you to articulate a compelling argument why you think I suggested such a thing.

For Z; does it have a bus stop?




Btw; you articulated the reasons for decline very well.


This can even apply to what appears to be hugely successful properties. Lenox Square in Atlanta was warned by the neighboring area that Marta would have a negative affect. Well, it is like DT Atl, no, DT was never quite this bad as it never had the crowds, and they are not polite crowds either. Many businesses have left the area for new developments, but over time it can only go downhill. Tourists lamely stumble into the mall but hardly get half way anymore because the stores are posh but the crowds are not. If NM was not in its own wing it would already be gone, but they are doing everything they can including valet parking. They will have to move eventually because their clientele travels and does not have to shop in those kinds of environments.


Sad for it and Phipps across the street, same situation.




As to Northpark; I would feel unsafe going to the car at that property at night, otherwise I prefer Renaissance.

[madison2013]

I think you're both right. Indoor malls are becoming a thing of the past. The reason outdoor malls are now becoming popular is because of teenagers who are running off shoppers.

[VennyG]

Originally Posted by madison2013

I think you're both right. Indoor malls are becoming a thing of the past. The reason outdoor malls are now becoming popular is because of teenagers who are running off shoppers.

I understand teen crowds is the reason for declining malls (mostly indoor.)
Teen population is increasing in this country. Malls have a responsibility to provide a safe service for "any body", including teens.
Closing malls just because of teens existence is an absurd idea in itself. But sadly it is a reality.

It is time to think about providing a more comprehensive solution for all citizens.
We need a win-win solution.
Making simple changes to existing malls (such as below) comes to my mind.

Secure walkway lanes from bust-stop into the malls (Teens will know they are in a secure zone and must adhere to some rules for everybody's safety.)
A bit more security and surveillance inside malls.
Stores that attract teens (e.g. low price items etc.)
A mix of medical clinics inside those malls.
Restriction on the size of teen groups (7 or 8 per group) during regular mall timings.
Designated mall timings when a larger size teen congregations are allowed (for socializing with their friends.) and have more security in the malls around that time.
Designated teen restricted (i.e. must be accompanied by an adult) mall sections where high-end stores are present.

Without this kind of solutions teens grow addicted to social media (like twitter/facebook/xyz).

[madison2013]

Originally Posted by VennyG

I understand teen crowds is the reason for declining malls (mostly indoor.)
Teen population is increasing in this country. Malls have a responsibility to provide a safe service for "any body", including teens.
Closing malls just because of teens existence is an absurd idea in itself. But sadly it is a reality.

It is time to think about providing a more comprehensive solution for all citizens.
We need a win-win solution.
Making simple changes to existing malls (such as below) comes to my mind.

Secure walkway lanes from bust-stop into the malls (Teens will know they are in a secure zone and must adhere to some rules for everybody's safety.)
A bit more security and surveillance inside malls.
Stores that attract teens (e.g. low price items etc.)
A mix of medical clinics inside those malls.
Restriction on the size of teen groups (7 or 8 per group) during regular mall timings.
Designated mall timings when a larger size teen congregations are allowed (for socializing with their friends.) and have more security in the malls around that time.
Designated teen restricted (i.e. must be accompanied by an adult) mall sections where high-end stores are present.

Without this kind of solutions teens grow addicted to social media (like twitter/facebook/xyz).

Tighter security? Medical clinics? Sounds so much fun.

[Neshomamench]

Originally Posted by VennyG

I understand teen crowds is the reason for declining malls (mostly indoor.)
Teen population is increasing in this country. Malls have a responsibility to provide a safe service for "any body", including teens.
Closing malls just because of teens existence is an absurd idea in itself. But sadly it is a reality.

It is time to think about providing a more comprehensive solution for all citizens.
We need a win-win solution.
Making simple changes to existing malls (such as below) comes to my mind.

Secure walkway lanes from bust-stop into the malls (Teens will know they are in a secure zone and must adhere to some rules for everybody's safety.)
A bit more security and surveillance inside malls.
Stores that attract teens (e.g. low price items etc.)
A mix of medical clinics inside those malls.
Restriction on the size of teen groups (7 or 8 per group) during regular mall timings.
Designated mall timings when a larger size teen congregations are allowed (for socializing with their friends.) and have more security in the malls around that time.
Designated teen restricted (i.e. must be accompanied by an adult) mall sections where high-end stores are present.

Without this kind of solutions teens grow addicted to social media (like twitter/facebook/xyz).

It is not the job of a corporation that owns malls to do anything other than make a profit in a legal manner. They are not social justice centers or charities. They are retail centers that need people to spend money. Adults do that. Adults do not want to go to and spend a lot of money at a place that caters to broke teens.

[VennyG]

Originally Posted by Neshomamench

It is not the job of a corporation that owns malls to do anything other than make a profit in a legal manner. They are not social justice centers or charities. They are retail centers that need people to spend money. Adults do that. Adults do not want to go to and spend a lot of money at a place that caters to broke teens.

Agreed. But if malls cant (or dont) entertain a dominating population pool then those malls may die.
Which is why I suggested a better alternative, to work with the population pool (teens).
In a decade those teens will grow into a strong buying power.