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Old 08-27-2018, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Jack-town, Sip by way of AL and FL
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Great. They can spend millions, billions. Doesn't matter. If you're a homeowner or business owner in Jackson -- the city does not care about you. They are not going to allocate resources to protect you or your property. If by some stroke of luck they do manage to arrest the offender that stole from you or killed your family member, he/she will be back out on the street within a few days or weeks.

I just wish people that care about their surroundings and their city would move to a city that will return the favor. Jackson does not meet this criteria.

The city's leaders are too concerned about finding ways to spend money on "downtown" to actually care about any resident or business.
That sounds like part of living in a big city. I hear it all the time in other cities like the ones I mentioned above. You are going to have to get in a smaller suburb if you want the protection you speak of. And hey, I'm the same way. You're not going to find me living in the formal or 'proper' city limits of any of these cities. The service is just poorer compared to the suburbs.

At this point, Jackson offers a downtown grid. Just like any other city. No middle class people with families are going to moving in there any time soon, just like they don't really move into Birmingham or Memphis. It's just not happening in this day and age, unless you are super rich and can live in Eastover (or the similar neighborhoods). The 'gentrification' is mostly single people or young people just looking for city life for a while, and once they have kids, they gone to the 'burbs.

Middle class people are not even in the Atlanta city limits, much less the other places.
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Old 08-27-2018, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Madison, MS
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Same as New Orleans, Birmingham, Memphis, Atlanta. The only difference is size. Not sure why anyone thinks it is a Jackson only problem.
Whew. Glad we got the insight from someone who doesn’t live in Mississippi
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Old 08-27-2018, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Lake Spivey, Georgia
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Yes, there ARE middle class people in the Atlanta city limits. Southwest Atlanta has long had a strong Black middle class to wealthy population, from the White flight era of the early to mid 1970's to the present. Even some of the "up and coming" east side neighborhoods have a strong middle/ upper middle class components. No, I am not referring to "Fashionable Northeast Atlanta" (Druid Hills/ Virginia-Highland/ Morningside/ Ansley Park/ Brookwood Hills/Buckhead, etc.) These as many of you know, are VERY affluent communities with homes half a million up to well over a million dollars, but the "up and coming" neighborhoods such as Kirkwood, Eastlake, East Atlanta, etc., while perhaps pricier than their suburban counterparts for square footage, yard size, etc., are still priced in the $200's and $300's are still in reach for many middle class folks. So, yes, the City of Atlanta DOES have a sizable middle class in its city limits, even if most may be qualified as "upper middle class".
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Old 08-27-2018, 09:39 PM
 
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It's just not happening in this day and age, unless you are super rich and can live in Eastover (or the similar neighborhoods). The 'gentrification' is mostly single people or young people just looking for city life for a while, and once they have kids, they gone to the 'burbs.
1. You do not have to be super rich to live in Eastover. At one time it was dominated by wealthy families, but many of those have fled.

2. There is no gentrification happening in Jackson and there is none of the horizon. Just because it is happening in other similar southern cities, does not mean it is happening here. I assure you the 2020 census will bear that out
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Old 08-27-2018, 10:32 PM
 
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If you looking at available real estate for Eastover, you will see that houses there aren't that expensive. There are only a couple of houses there over $500,000. And the only gentrifying that's happened in Jackson is the Fondren.
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Old 08-28-2018, 05:30 AM
 
Location: The Madison Plantation
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Jackson is like an alcoholic. Like Detroit, it will have to hit bottom before it can rebound.
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Old 08-28-2018, 07:45 AM
 
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All of the above cities you mentioned are in a thousand times better shape than Jackson, which has absolutely nothing going for it.



I have lived in Jackson before and currently live in Memphis and would agree that Memphis is in better shape than Jackson. My general observation from having spent at least a few years in each city is that Jackson fell harder than Memphis during the white flight era and has never really recovered. There was flight out of Memphis during that era to the east (Germantown, Collierville) and to the south (Southaven, Olive Branch, Hernando) but not to the degree that Jackson must have experienced.


Memphis has a bad reputation nationally and definitely has it's problems and some absolutely terrible areas but has some strong stable neighborhoods in Mid-town (Cooper-Young) and East Memphis (High Point Terrace and quite a few others). Jackson really only has a few relative small neighborhoods that would be considered stable & safe for middle and upper class families.


Memphis' downtown area has seen a lot of development and revitalization over the last 10 to 15 years, basically the kind of downtown development that Jackson would like to have but just hasn't been able to pull off. I think the primary difference between why Memphis has had a lot of successful downtown development while Jackson has struggled to get projects off the ground goes back to my observation on flight: while flight occurred in Memphis, a lot of the people who make these large-scale projects happen didn't leave Memphis. I think the Jackson development equivalents absolutely left Jackson and went to Madison, Flowood, Brandon, etc and never looked back.
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Old 08-28-2018, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Jack-town, Sip by way of AL and FL
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Jackson is like an alcoholic. Like Detroit, it will have to hit bottom before it can rebound.
Yep, just like all the rest.

In 2005, nobody wanted anything to do with Birmingham, now look at it. The same will happen to Jackson.
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Old 08-28-2018, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Jack-town, Sip by way of AL and FL
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Memphis' downtown area has seen a lot of development and revitalization over the last 10 to 15 years, basically the kind of downtown development that Jackson would like to have but just hasn't been able to pull off. I think the primary difference between why Memphis has had a lot of successful downtown development while Jackson has struggled to get projects off the ground goes back to my observation on flight: while flight occurred in Memphis, a lot of the people who make these large-scale projects happen didn't leave Memphis. I think the Jackson development equivalents absolutely left Jackson and went to Madison, Flowood, Brandon, etc and never looked back.
Pretty good points here. Honestly, all you really need is a few people to come back. Jackson's never going to be a huge destination, but it can become a decent place to come and be entertained.

I think eventually a lot of the rich people who have left will come back and invest. If you have Mississippi blood, it never truly leaves.
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Old 08-28-2018, 07:47 PM
 
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The difference between many of those cities that have revitalized and Jackon is that Jackson has no draw.

Memphis has Beale Street, the Grizzlies, the Red Birds, a nice zoo, The Peabody, The Children's Hospital and many other draws, NOLA has nothing but touristy spots, B'ham has some profession employers, UAB, the BJCC, Regions Field, and Dreamland (I'm allergic to beef and pork though - its terrible!).

Jackson, unfortunately, has no draws, no large professional employers (unless you count Trustmart), few bars, no entertainment district, etc. Why someone hasn't figured out a way to put a casino downtown, I have no idea. If Jackson would just block off a few streets and start an "anything goes as long as no gets hurt" entertainment district with heavy security, it would likely go over well, start slow and let grow organically. There is plenty of room to do this around F Jones Corner.
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