11-28-2010, 03:57 PM
Location: Ponte Vedra Beach FL
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Im not sure Jax needs the London connection to feel internationally connected. There are other cities Jax can create a relationship with like Cairo or Berlin or San Pablo
Cairo and Berlin aren't easy to get to - even today - out of most major hubs on many carriers - because they're not major business or tourist destinations. I seem to recall that we went JAX to Berlin through Newark on Continental in 2007. And to Cairo from Miami quite a few years ago through Munich on Lufthansa. If San Pablo = Sao Paulo - never been there. But I suspect there are decent connections out of Miami.
When I travel a long distance (usually out of the country) - my goal is to get there with one stop. And that's frequently as easy to do out of JAX as it is in all but the very largest cities in the US. And if - for example - you lived on Long Island - an hour east of Manhattan - then I reckon if you tried to take an international Continental flight out of Newark - it would probably be just about as easy - maybe easier - to leave from JAX (it's certainly easier to park your car at JAX
). Anyway - about the only non-stop flight I miss here - that I think we might have one day again - is to LAX (would also like one to the Pacific Northwest but I can't see that one in my crystal ball). Robyn
11-29-2010, 07:29 AM
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You dont seem to want an international flight out of JAX?
11-29-2010, 08:22 AM
Location: San Francisco
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I think Robyn is just being realistic. Someone mentioned a couple of oddball cities that they wanted direct flights to, but it was hard to tell if it was tongue in cheek. Jacksonville's first nonstop European flight will be to either London, Paris, or Frankfurt. Then it will be a long while before we get another. Nowadays you really have to be a hub or mini-hub to get those international flights. I think Tampa has only 1 or 2 European flights and its metro is almost 3 million people and its airport serves about 20 million people (it's not a hub, though).
11-29-2010, 03:33 PM
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You dont seem to want an international flight out of JAX?
Of course I'd want it - just like I want an 8% 5 year CD. Am not holding my breath though. Apart from not being a hub airport - another problem that JAX has is no capability to handle international passengers (in terms of immigration and customs). Don't know how much it would cost to build those - but I doubt a few flights here and there would pay for them. Sanford Airport has a couple of discount international airlines/charters - and a fair amount of debt. Wonder how it's doing? Robyn
11-29-2010, 11:53 PM
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Of course I'd want it - just like I want an 8% 5 year CD. Am not holding my breath though. Apart from not being a hub airport - another problem that JAX has is no capability to handle international passengers (in terms of immigration and customs). Don't know how much it would cost to build those - but I doubt a few flights here and there would pay for them. Sanford Airport has a couple of discount international airlines/charters - and a fair amount of debt. Wonder how it's doing? Robyn
There is a US Customs and Immigration Facility, which is why JIA is one of 116 (airport) designated ports of entry in the country. http://www.dhs.gov/files/programs/editorial_0685.shtm (broken link)
It's just not used very much for obvious reasons...
My parents happened to mention at dinner that they read the airport was beginning construction of a new facility (which makes sense with Puerto Rico coming online next Spring) but I could not find it anywhere online. They also said that a month or two ago there was a poll in the Times-Union asking which European city readers would most like to see direct service to.
11-30-2010, 02:22 PM
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Im not sure Jax needs the London connection to feel internationally connected. There are other cities Jax can create a relationship with like Cairo or Berlin or San Pablo
Bring 'em on. I don't see them happening any time soon, though.
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I think Robyn is just being realistic. Someone mentioned a couple of oddball cities that they wanted direct flights to, but it was hard to tell if it was tongue in cheek. Jacksonville's first nonstop European flight will be to either London, Paris, or Frankfurt. Then it will be a long while before we get another. Nowadays you really have to be a hub or mini-hub to get those international flights. I think Tampa has only 1 or 2 European flights and its metro is almost 3 million people and its airport serves about 20 million people (it's not a hub, though).
Yes.I guess Jax isn't even a mini-hub.
It's funny how someone with an agenda can make things happen, though. (http://iflybeaches.com/news/detail/st._joe_company_invested_in_success_of_new_airport - broken link)
This brand spanking new airport (Panama City area) was just a twinkle in
St Joe Company's eye a few years ago, but they made it happen (not without a bit of fuss beforehand--there was already an existing airport. I guess they will tear that one down.
Northwest Florida Beaches International Airport
11-30-2010, 03:00 PM
Location: Ponte Vedra Beach FL
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There is a US Customs and Immigration Facility, which is why JIA is one of 116 (airport) designated ports of entry in the country. DHS | US-VISIT: Current Ports of Entry (http://www.dhs.gov/files/programs/editorial_0685.shtm - broken link)
Didn't know about the Customs and Immigration Facility. Of course - in addition to the physical facility - you need the people to man it. The Puerto Rico thing will be 1 flight each way daily. Not enough to justify the building of any new facilities IMO. Robyn
11-30-2010, 03:12 PM
Location: Ponte Vedra Beach FL
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Bring 'em on. I don't see them happening any time soon, though.
Yes.I guess Jax isn't even a mini-hub.
It's funny how someone with an agenda can make things happen, though. (http://iflybeaches.com/news/detail/st._joe_company_invested_in_success_of_new_airport - broken link)
This brand spanking new airport (Panama City area) was just a twinkle in
St Joe Company's eye a few years ago, but they made it happen (not without a bit of fuss beforehand--there was already an existing airport. I guess they will tear that one down.
Northwest Florida Beaches International Airport
St. Joe had a vision of development in that area. Don't think it is playing out as anticipated. The company's stock is down from 70 to 17 in the last 5 years (I've heard some short sellers explain why they're shorting the stock). Wonder how the airport is doing/will do?
Airport authorities usually issue debt to build stuff (airlines often chip in on the debt too). They need to get cash flow out of their improvements to make payments on that debt. And the plans have to make sense - at least on paper - to entice people to buy the bonds. I don't know whether JAX could make a compelling case for the kind of expansion you're talking about. Robyn
11-30-2010, 03:33 PM
Location: Ponte Vedra Beach FL
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Bring 'em on. I don't see them happening any time soon, though.
Yes.I guess Jax isn't even a mini-hub.
It's funny how someone with an agenda can make things happen, though. (http://iflybeaches.com/news/detail/st._joe_company_invested_in_success_of_new_airport - broken link)
This brand spanking new airport (Panama City area) was just a twinkle in
St Joe Company's eye a few years ago, but they made it happen (not without a bit of fuss beforehand--there was already an existing airport. I guess they will tear that one down.
Northwest Florida Beaches International Airport
Perhaps I'm wrong - but I think you're talking about one airport. There's a competing airport in Pensacola. Robyn
11-30-2010, 03:46 PM
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St. Joe had a vision of development in that area. Don't think it is playing out as anticipated. The company's stock is down from 70 to 17 in the last 5 years (I've heard some short sellers explain why they're shorting the stock). Wonder how the airport is doing/will do?
St Joe built some beautiful homes but their real estate sector grew too big too fast.
I certainly don't think that Jax could (or should) follow their example.
I merely find it interesting to see how loud money (300 million)can talk.
I am not sure how the airport will do, but St Joe pushed ahead with it despite opposition.
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Perhaps I'm wrong - but I think you're talking about one airport. There's a competing airport in Pensacola. Robyn
Not talking about Pensacola. That airport was a bit of a drive for us, maybe not so bad for people further east. There is yet
another small airport in Ft Walton/Destin.
VPS
The airport I am talking about was right in Panama City; I flew in and out of several times. Here it is:
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People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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). Anyway - about the only non-stop flight I miss here - that I think we might have one day again - is to LAX (would also like one to the Pacific Northwest but I can't see that one in my crystal ball). Robyn
