Is Jacksonville a redneck city? (Plantation, University: university, living in, store)

[madcapmagishion]

Whats interesting is the flag flies at I-75 & I-4 and its next to the Martin Luther King exit. And someone on YouTube wrote there's another Confederate flag on I-75 near Lake City they are not sure if its North or South of Lake City.

YouTube - ‪THE BIGGEST REBEL FLAG I HAVE EVER SEEN‬‏

[abvavgjoe]

Originally Posted by ferret111

the flag is outside of the city limits and the support for it is pretty divided.

Ya think? I'm sure the black community, which is large, isn't in love with it for one thing. There are lots of people of all races who aren't pro black oppression. Isn't it kinda like flying a swastika in Jerusalem. Well, maybe that's an extreme example, but you get the point. Pretty insensitive and not helping race relations one bit.

[ferret111]

Originally Posted by abvavgjoe

Ya think? I'm sure the black community, which is large, isn't in love with it for one thing. There are lots of people of all races who aren't pro black oppression. Isn't it kinda like flying a swastika in Jerusalem. Well, maybe that's an extreme example, but you get the point. Pretty insensitive and not helping race relations one bit.

It depends on how you interpret it. Minorities and people from the North and West might view it as a racist symbol while people from the South might view it as a symbol of their heritage. It makes no difference to me; I have better things to worry about. The flag is on private property and doesn't seem to violate any sort of county code. This is just an issue that people will never agree on.

[madcapmagishion]

The flag was erected on private property by the Sons of the Confederacy to honor those from Tampa who went off and served the State of Florida in the War of Northern Aggression. Or for those of y'all in here from above the Mason Dixon line the Civil War.

[abvavgjoe]

The Confederate Battle Flag dates to 1861 when The South flew it in the Civil War. The Civil War was mostly about slavery. Therefore, to me, (and I'm white) it represents definite anti-black sentiment. I guess people are entitled to do and say as they choose. I'm just sayin', do we need this kind of thing today, this many years later. Can't we get past this. Can't we all just get behind the American flag?

[jwolfer]

Originally Posted by abvavgjoe

The Confederate Battle Flag dates to 1861 when The South flew it in the Civil War. The Civil War was mostly about slavery. Therefore, to me, (and I'm white) it represents definite anti-black sentiment. I guess people are entitled to do and say as they choose. I'm just sayin', do we need this kind of thing today, this many years later. Can't we get past this. Can't we all just get behind the American flag?

The victors wright the history. There is a mythology that the North wanted to end slavery and that is the ONLY reason they went to war. People thought that the Civil War would last a few weeks but it went on for 4 years. The South was essentially a defeated county and it took WWII ( and the post war mobility) to really bring the South fully back into the United States.

THe North didn't have the interest of the slaves in mind as their primary concern. Slavery was a major factor for sure. If you look at the writing of many Northern heroes ( ie Lincoln,Grant etc) they were pretty racist. ( But then again most people were at that time). Many Northern states had laws restricting settlement of black people among other racist laws.

There may not have been widespread slave holding in the North but they were glad to reap the economic benefits. Many New England ships transported slaves (under the US Flag BTW) making lots of money for many prominent New England ship owners. Factories in the North made things from cotton picked by slaves.

All I am saying is that the issue is more complex than a bunch of racist rednecks wanting to have slaves and some wonderful magnanimous abolitionists that wanted to end slavery.

One could say that the US flag represents slavery as well. But sadly the KKK has taken the stars and bars and made into the symbol of racism. People marching with the stars and bars in NJ, MI etc are not proud of their Southern roots.

The swastika was a Hindu( I think) symbol of the cycle of life... but it was coopted by the Nazis into their symbol. ( interesteignly Arizona had a swastika on their highway signs... one of the tribs in AZ used the symbol as well. But the world thinks of Nazis when they see swastikas

[madcapmagishion]

The only reason the Northerners did not have widespread slave holding was the fact that most northern farms were small by Southern Plantation standards and large cheap labor pools were not needed to operate them.

Slavery was just a part of the problem the major problem was States Rights, and self government.

To the Navajo Indians the swastika was a sacred image representing a legend that was used in healing rituals, after learning of the Nazi association, the Navajo discontinued use of the symbol.

The swastika is one of the 108 symbols of the Hindu deity Vishnu and represents the Sun's rays, upon which life depends. Its use as a Sun symbol can first be seen in its representation of the god Surya. The swastika is used in all Hindu yantras and religious designs.

[jwolfer]

Originally Posted by madcapmagishion

The only reason the Northerners did not have widespread slave holding was the fact that most northern farms were small by Southern Plantation standards and large cheap labor pools were not needed to operate them.....

Some would say that the immigrants that lived in tenements in places like New York or the mines of Pennsylvania didn't have it much better than slaves.

[FlyiMetro]

I remember seeing that flag a lot as a kid on Normandy Blvd. Never knew what it was all about and my parents never mentioned it or had an issue. I think the first time it may have bothered me was when the Malcom X movie came out and all the kids were wearing the X hats...it was like the style...like starter jackets and duck head clothing. Then the white kids started wearing the Confederate flag shirts saying "You wear your X Ill wear mine" I remember seeing that and was like WTF? The X hats weren't disses to white folks it was just what was hot at the time. Many kids were wearing the hats without even seeing the movie lol even white kids wore them.. they were cool baseball caps. Other than that scenario it never really bothered me. So its no biggie.

[cricketfan]

Originally Posted by jwolfer

Some would say that the immigrants that lived in tenements in places like New York or the mines of Pennsylvania didn't have it much better than slaves.

What a dumb comparison!