07-12-2013, 12:11 PM
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Isn't tween under 13? No way.
My FIRST trip to Home Depot in Vero Beach
day two living in Florida I "met" someone insisting on loading my mulch, a real close talker annoying guy. Ok I blew him off and of course didn't accept any HELP or even engage him and he was just talking away blah blah blah overly friendly...whatever.
Got home that night, shocked to see there is a dedicated sex offender channel here and was all "ha ha ha".
Guess who was on the TV? THAT GUY! He lived two blocks from the HD and 4 blocks from me. He had a sign on his car "Husband For Hire"
It depends on the children if I'd even let a "tween" go with a "teen" but only if the teen was ultra responsible and street smart ANYWHERE now. I'm from Philly, not exactly a "naive" place but especially with daughters NO. It's not just adults but other boys too old for them that could be a problem and alot of other issues IMO. Plus their state of mind being all excited moving to party state Florida.
I lived in Jax 4 years and didn't find it scary at all, just my typical opinion of anywhere that's a major place and not some mid western laid back town (which I've never lived in so I have no clue about that either haha)
07-12-2013, 01:46 PM
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Isn't tween under 13? No way.
My FIRST trip to Home Depot in Vero Beach
day two living in Florida I "met" someone insisting on loading my mulch, a real close talker annoying guy. Ok I blew him off and of course didn't accept any HELP or even engage him and he was just talking away blah blah blah overly friendly...whatever.
Got home that night, shocked to see there is a dedicated sex offender channel here and was all "ha ha ha".
Guess who was on the TV? THAT GUY! He lived two blocks from the HD and 4 blocks from me. He had a sign on his car "Husband For Hire"
It depends on the children if I'd even let a "tween" go with a "teen" but only if the teen was ultra responsible and street smart ANYWHERE now. I'm from Philly, not exactly a "naive" place but especially with daughters NO. It's not just adults but other boys too old for them that could be a problem and alot of other issues IMO. Plus their state of mind being all excited moving to party state Florida.
I lived in Jax 4 years and didn't find it scary at all, just my typical opinion of anywhere that's a major place and not some mid western laid back town (which I've never lived in so I have no clue about that either haha)
You seem to have a lot run-in's with creepy guys in parking lots and dark alleys...
07-12-2013, 02:07 PM
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You seem to have a lot run-in's with creepy guys in parking lots and dark alleys...
LOL no just memorable ones. This goof in Home Depot. The crack head trying to grab my dog walking client in front of 11 East at 2 PM. And the 3 high speed freak girls in San Marco around the Alexandria Condos asking me "can I borrie a dollar" around 9 PM.
OH and the crime episode by the Alexandria at Palm that showed up on the tracker right on the corner of the street I dog walk on every single day at that time 3:30pm , next to the house I did a consultation in with 8 dogs and filthy interior.
So that's 4.
Dog walk business all over especially at night?... you see all kinds of things. When I moved here the overnight clerk at Riverside/Avondale Walgreens at King told me don't go through the park by Publix at night but don't be afraid of the bums either because the bums there saved him from getting mugged by the crack heads.
I also saw naked people having sex in the hallway in a downtown highrise so it's not just dark alleys HAHAHA.
Sometimes I think people never pay attention to their surroundings or go anywhere except their house, car, work, and store. I'm from Philly and a dog walker - I pay attention to my surroundings.
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07-12-2013, 03:05 PM
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I don't think there would be a problem at the town center. Drop em off.. Just make sure they have a cell phone and leave em for a few hours.
07-12-2013, 10:06 PM
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Thanks everyone. Think I will chaperon my daughter everywhere for now til she drives.
07-14-2013, 04:02 PM
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As long as they don't have access to your bank account, I would say it's safe enough.
Ain't that the truth
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And to the OP. I'm 65 - and used to take the bus into Manhattan from New Jersey with my girlfriends when I was 12 to go to the theater.
The Town Center is perfectly safe during the day for children assuming they know how to cross streets with vehicular traffic (which I assume children in middle school know how to do these days unless they're mentally disabled). I think the worst that can happen is a bad sunburn (assuming lots of walking with exposed areas of skin and no sunscreen). No reason not to allow your kids to dine/shop there alone (although I certainly wouldn't suggest that they walk from the Town Center to Tinseltown - it's kind of far - and not a "pedestrian friendly" walk IMO). Robyn
07-14-2013, 04:04 PM
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I don't think there would be a problem at the town center. Drop em off.. Just make sure they have a cell phone and leave em for a few hours.
Just FWIW - I started college when I was 16. Don't think I would have been ready for it if my parents insisted on accompanying me everywhere until the ages you suggested. Robyn
07-14-2013, 04:22 PM
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I'm fairly cautious when it comes to my kids. That said, I would be o.k. with dropping off my 14 or 15 year old off at Towne Center as long as they were with a friend and had a cell phone.
07-14-2013, 06:20 PM
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Ain't that the truth
.
And to the OP. I'm 65 - and used to take the bus into Manhattan from New Jersey with my girlfriends when I was 12 to go to the theater.
The Town Center is perfectly safe during the day for children assuming they know how to cross streets with vehicular traffic (which I assume children in middle school know how to do these days unless they're mentally disabled). I think the worst that can happen is a bad sunburn (assuming lots of walking with exposed areas of skin and no sunscreen). No reason not to allow your kids to dine/shop there alone (although I certainly wouldn't suggest that they walk from the Town Center to Tinseltown - it's kind of far - and not a "pedestrian friendly" walk IMO). Robyn
Well, the worst that could happen is they get robbed or abducted. Both have happened to adults during the day there. So don't encourage naivity. Crime can & does happen everywhere, just need to be careful and aware, and enjoy life with common sense.
07-15-2013, 07:12 AM
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Well, the worst that could happen is they get robbed or abducted. Both have happened to adults during the day there. So don't encourage naivity. Crime can & does happen everywhere, just need to be careful and aware, and enjoy life with common sense.
Just because "crime happens" doesn't mean you should lock up your kids until they're old enough to go to college. I tend to think that exposing kids to the real world at relatively early ages (in smaller or larger doses depending on the age/maturity of the child) helps them to grow up. And - like you say - to learn to be "careful and aware" - and to "enjoy life with common sense". The OP has to determine what he/she thinks her kids are ready for (some kids are ready for some things before others). It's not a "one size fits all situation" IMO.
FWIW - my husband and I tend to be on the opposite end of the age spectrum compared to kids - but we're similarly vulnerable because we're older - and my husband walks (pretty slowly) with a big leg brace and a cane. We've never had any issues with the Town Center (except it's too darn hot in the summer). My father is 94 - walks with a walker - and goes to the Town Center alone to shop. He's never had any issues either (except he thinks there's too much traffic at the Town Center - OTOH he is always amazed at how polite people are here compared to people in south Florida). Robyn
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People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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Dog walk business all over especially at night?... you see all kinds of things. When I moved here the overnight clerk at Riverside/Avondale Walgreens at King told me don't go through the park by Publix at night but don't be afraid of the bums either because the bums there saved him from getting mugged by the crack heads.
