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Old 12-19-2007, 09:04 AM
 
Location: www.JaxTalx.com
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Yuppie is actually an acronym. It's hard to be a "True" yuppie in Jax, b/c you have to be URBAN. However, progressive thinking is someone who isn't narrow minded, sees the big picture, is engrossed in all that is going on, large scale global issues, and trends. Your quote is my direct issue I brought up in my earlier post. It's the mentality of digression here, and not progression.
"Progressive" is also a widely used code word for leftist.
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Old 12-19-2007, 09:26 AM
 
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"Progressive" is also a widely used code word for leftist.
Many socialists have rebranded the term Liberal with the term Progressive since the term Liberal has become such a negative in current US politics. So, progresive thinking is true for a bobo, but not in the political sense. I would consider most bobos to be of the Libertarian mindset but with a sense of environmental awareness. Maybe a Libergreenian attitude. The ones I know are angry with the left for massive entitlements that they will never receive like social security etc., are mad at the right for not allowing gay marriage etc., and they care about environmental issues.

Also: The views above are not my views, but ones I have noticed in bobos.
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Old 12-19-2007, 10:48 AM
 
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That's the definition of a Bobo and not a yuppie.

For something so simple, this is a very confusing topic.
Wrong, but thanks for the info. Bobo is a bohemian, yuppie is a YOUNG URBAN PROFESSIONAL. The reason Yuppie is so hard to define here is b/c a true yuppie lives in Chicago, NYC, Atlanta, etc. etc. Not in a country town. The one thing I left out about Yuppie is that they must have a professional job...a BOBO does not. They bleed very closely together.....Bobo is a new term for the bohemian trend that has taken off (vegan, organic etc.). However, a Yuppie would still be intrigued by those ideals, but wouldn't necessarily be sporting the cloth grocery bag, Birks, and Patchouli cologne.
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Old 12-19-2007, 10:52 AM
 
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Many socialists have rebranded the term Liberal with the term Progressive since the term Liberal has become such a negative in current US politics. So, progresive thinking is true for a bobo, but not in the political sense. I would consider most bobos to be of the Libertarian mindset but with a sense of environmental awareness. Maybe a Libergreenian attitude. The ones I know are angry with the left for massive entitlements that they will never receive like social security etc., are mad at the right for not allowing gay marriage etc., and they care about environmental issues.

Also: The views above are not my views, but ones I have noticed in bobos.
I agree with you about BOBOs...most of them live in LA, not NYC or Chicago...thus, I was going with the old definition of Yuppie, and "progressive". Yuppies typically lean more toward the conservative side, particularly because of socioeconomic issues, however it is still naive to say that Yuppie means Rich snop with big house, big car. It's much more diverse than that. Bobo however is much more of a liberal, but typically Bobos and Yuppies coincide well together b/c they are both thinkers...while they may not agree, they seek out the same things. A "redneck" on the other hand would be lost in NYC and Chicago etc. Thus, the true original question is still answered by saying....there aren't many Yuppies, Bobos or the like in the area. You'll still need to go to Avondale, San Marco etc. to find them. There are pseudo Yups and Bos in JCP, but more bourgeois in my opinion. Very different from Yuppie or Bobo.
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Old 12-19-2007, 10:54 AM
 
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Yes, for the most part I agree with LewLew. Jax is a pretty "country" town and I just think Yuppies would be more inclined to live in other towns, perhaps Tampa or Orlando (if in FL), but not really Jax.
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Old 12-19-2007, 11:12 AM
 
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Yes, for the most part I agree with LewLew. Jax is a pretty "country" town and I just think Yuppies would be more inclined to live in other towns, perhaps Tampa or Orlando (if in FL), but not really Jax.
Yes, I agree with you. Aside from the older population, which contradicts the "young" part of the Yuppie, those towns, and Sarsota offer more of the cultural mecca that Yuppies seek out. There are also more urbanized professional jobs.

One last thing..while Bobos are bourgeois by definition, yuppies are not necessarily "keep up with the jones'" or flashy by nature. While they might have nice things....they run in a crowd that is similar. Bourgeios folks have mainly middle class friends, came into some new money, and they buy MORE to stand out, prove their worth and define success as the amount of things they have...not necessarily the quality or value of things they own.
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Old 12-19-2007, 12:18 PM
 
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Wrong, but thanks for the info. Bobo is a bohemian, yuppie is a YOUNG URBAN PROFESSIONAL. The reason Yuppie is so hard to define here is b/c a true yuppie lives in Chicago, NYC, Atlanta, etc. etc. Not in a country town. The one thing I left out about Yuppie is that they must have a professional job...a BOBO does not. They bleed very closely together.....Bobo is a new term for the bohemian trend that has taken off (vegan, organic etc.). However, a Yuppie would still be intrigued by those ideals, but wouldn't necessarily be sporting the cloth grocery bag, Birks, and Patchouli cologne.
Not really. Both Bobos and Yuppies both have professional jobs and are typically middle class or upper middle class. Both were originally terms for urban dwellers. Check out the wikipedia definition. What you are describing is more of a hipster.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourgeois_bohemian

When I think of a Bobo, I think of a young yuppie type who blings with a prius instead of a beemer. Both similar, but spending their money on different things. But, these definitions are now very skewed and hard to define because both groups have grown up and many have moved to the suburbs but hold strong to their urban youthful roots.

I also agree that it's hard to distinguish between the groups if you haven't lived in a city that has tons of them.
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Old 12-19-2007, 12:53 PM
 
Location: NE Florida
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I agree. I think people's thoughts on yuppies can be completely different. I would consider the original definition of a young urban professional with lots of disposable income and no kids not a yuppie any more. I always think of them as the 30 and 40 something families who live in the suburbs and try to outdo each other with bigger houses, bigger parties, bigger SUVís, etc. So your right, what are you considering a yuppie? What I consider a yuppie lives in Julington Creek or St. Augustine. But what others consider a yuppie might me a completely different thing.
Funny how your definition of "yuppie" is the exact opposite of mine.

The upwardly mobile professional is too mobile to even settle down and raise a family. First he has got to pay off the bank loans on all those expensive, exotic possessions. Maybe you refer to the now mature ex-yuppie who realizes that there is more to life now than the new Benz and the Rolex.

I prefer not to stereotype people. When you stereotype people it always ends up leaving a negative connotation.

Politically and socially though, environmental concerns are shaping the minds of alot of today's young college-educated professionals, and whether you want to define them as yuppie or not, they are still living somewhere between liberal idealism and conservative self-interest. Probably leaning more towards the former while still buying up all the stuff that the new technologies have to offer.
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Old 12-19-2007, 03:11 PM
 
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Funny how your definition of "yuppie" is the exact opposite of mine.

The upwardly mobile professional is too mobile to even settle down and raise a family. First he has got to pay off the bank loans on all those expensive, exotic possessions. Maybe you refer to the now mature ex-yuppie who realizes that there is more to life now than the new Benz and the Rolex.

I prefer not to stereotype people. When you stereotype people it always ends up leaving a negative connotation.

Politically and socially though, environmental concerns are shaping the minds of alot of today's young college-educated professionals, and whether you want to define them as yuppie or not, they are still living somewhere between liberal idealism and conservative self-interest. Probably leaning more towards the former while still buying up all the stuff that the new technologies have to offer.
I am going to disagree with you. I am an upwardly mobile professional, and am rotting away here in Jacksonville raising a family. I have a fantastic job, a college education, have worked for very large firms in NYC, Chicago, Boston, and LA. I don't drive a Prius, or a Beemer, nor do I have a ton of bank loans. I buy organic food, recycle, am environmentally aware, as well as socially conservative. Thus, while stereotyping as always put people into the definition who don't belong there, and leave some out who do....your opinion that a yuppie/bobo is someone who is self-involved that they can't settle down to raise a family b/c they are paying off Beemers, bank loans and the like is very condescending. There is a difference between defining a sterotype, and grouping one like you do. You are probably the "all blondes are dumb" kind of person. Your point is proven that it is not fair to sterotype, nor is it conclusive...however, the original question was where do Yuppie's hang out in Jax...and I am sticking to my answer of "what yuppies!?!?!"
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Old 12-19-2007, 05:04 PM
 
Location: NE Florida
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I am going to disagree with you. I am an upwardly mobile professional, and am rotting away here in Jacksonville raising a family. I have a fantastic job, a college education, have worked for very large firms in NYC, Chicago, Boston, and LA. I don't drive a Prius, or a Beemer, nor do I have a ton of bank loans. I buy organic food, recycle, am environmentally aware, as well as socially conservative. Thus, while stereotyping as always put people into the definition who don't belong there, and leave some out who do....your opinion that a yuppie/bobo is someone who is self-involved that they can't settle down to raise a family b/c they are paying off Beemers, bank loans and the like is very condescending. There is a difference between defining a sterotype, and grouping one like you do. You are probably the "all blondes are dumb" kind of person. Your point is proven that it is not fair to sterotype, nor is it conclusive...however, the original question was where do Yuppie's hang out in Jax...and I am sticking to my answer of "what yuppies!?!?!"
Lighten up, LewLew. I should have made it clear when I said "upwardly mobile professional" I was referring to the yuppie context. I am not saying that anyone else's definition is wrong. I am just saying that when I think of a yuppie, I think of that person as one who isn't ready to settle down and raise a family but is more occupied with climbing the economic and professional ladder, living the life, acquiring things and paying off debts. Family life comes later.

Now, one thing we know is that YOU are not a yuppie. The yuppies that I know are real "cool" people. A yuppie would not say "I am an upwardly mobile professional, and am rotting away here in Jacksonville raising a family." That is almost a contradiction in terms.

One final point, when you stereotype you are grouping ...there is no difference. Please think!
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