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Old 06-14-2008, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Jax
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We complain about the Jacksonville sprawl and about our dependency on cars but we forget that there are a whole lot of cities that are in the same boat. No significant mass transit systems to help out. LA is one of those cities but I don't believe you're gonna witness mass exodus out of LA anytime soon because gas happens to be 5 bucks a gallon.

How many of us remember when gas went to $1 a gallon back in the 70s? We were b***hing and moaning then too like the end of the world and then we all settled down and continued to drive our guzzlers and paid whatever it cost to run them. My point is it is no different today. We are all going to mentally adjust, make a few token changes in our lifestyle and $5 or even $6 a gallon will soon be normal and par for the course again. Take my word.
*We simulposted *

I agree, and where would all those LA people go anyway? They're going to need to stick it out and figure out solutions where they are, at least in the immediate future.

I agree that we will all adjust to the higher gas prices, there's little choice but to adjust somehow. But how far will we have to adjust? If you follow the discussions of Peak Oil and Post-industrialism, we may face some pretty big lifestyle adjustments in our lifetimes.

Add to that issues surrounding water shortages (happening! ) and changing weather patterns ...I was listening to NPR today about the flooding in Iowa and during the conversation there was even mention of a future where we may face environmental refugees.

I think it goes back again to making informed choices. We may never have mass transit that reaches the furthest corners of our city, there may be no bail-out coming, so choose your location wisely .
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Old 06-15-2008, 12:15 AM
 
Location: Jax
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Found this while surfing tonight, as usual, someone says it far better than I ever could :

Changing the geography of American metropolitan areas will be hard. For one thing, houses last a lot longer than cars. Long after today’s S.U.V.’s have become antique collectors’ items, millions of people will still be living in subdivisions built when gas was $1.50 or less a gallon.

Here's the full article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/19/op...0A&oref=slogin
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Old 06-15-2008, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Atlantic Highlands NJ/Ponte Vedra FL/NYC
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Your Honda Civic only has an 8 gallon tank? What year is it? I find that hard to believe; my '96 that I had years ago had at least 12.

I ran out of gas once . . . pushed it into a station and was only able to put 8.5 gallons in it. The car is older than dirt.
maybe that's what the fuel tank is full of
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Old 06-15-2008, 11:55 PM
 
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when well WE THE CONSUMERS put our foot down at these gas prices. I opt for a PROTEST OF one-day of no fill ups and see if they won't pay attention to us...they got hybrids but they are expensive, we are in so called technology age but are still stuck using vehicles that are built on the foundation of the stone age when man first invented fire combustion...is that the best we can do?
Its our fault, we have not ask for better choices of vehicles and the average MPG has not change in about 20 years. Now almost every vehicle has a V8 or V6 standard but the faster they go makes no sense because we do have to obey speed limits anyways. Now it's almost impossible to find a 4 cylinder vehicle. Why does a stay at home mom with 2 kids need a 400hp SUV to drop them too school and go shopping? we are all making dumb choices and have not done anything about it and we are still willing to pay whatever it takes to drive these vehicles.
We are in hurricane season, does anyone remember when the 4 storms hit the Gulf and gas doubled and crossed the $2.50 mark?...well lets wait are see what happens this year. But I bet a million dollars that we currently have the means to go 100 miles per gallon and even more, but greed and capitalism will have no part of it.
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Old 06-16-2008, 03:01 AM
 
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Its our fault, we have not ask for better choices of vehicles and the average MPG has not change in about 20 years.
It is our fault. They only kept making the enormous gas hog tanks because people kept buying them. No one forced anyone to do anything. Only now that gas prices are at $4 & rising are people actually starting to wise up & realize its not such a good idea to drive a tank to the grocery store.

If we would have demanded more fuel efficient & alternatives sooner, we wouldn't be in such a pickle now. We got complacent in the 90s when fuel was cheap. They kept churning out the tanks, more & more homes were built further & further out in the suburbs, mass public transit was slept on in a lot of cities, etc. Now we're ALL gonna pay the price, even the people who were more conscious of the situation & were more modest in their purchases.

Its sad because a lot of people labeled these types "hippies", even today. Which I've never understood. Why does someone gotta be a hippie to wanna save money on gas & buying only what they need?? But I guess the hippies got something right afterall & were the smart ones.
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Old 06-16-2008, 05:05 AM
 
Location: Atlantic Highlands NJ/Ponte Vedra FL/NYC
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when well WE THE CONSUMERS put our foot down at these gas prices.
you can rant and rave, protest all you want it really won't matter, we are in a global competition for energy and if we in the US use less all that means is that china, india or some other place will be able to use more.
The US consumption is almost irrelevant in the equation
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Old 06-16-2008, 05:58 AM
 
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you can rant and rave, protest all you want it really won't matter, we are in a global competition for energy and if we in the US use less all that means is that china, india or some other place will be able to use more.
The US consumption is almost irrelevant in the equation
So, we as the most powerful nation on Earth should do nothing, stay the course & just follow the dummies?? Good plan.
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Old 06-16-2008, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Atlantic Highlands NJ/Ponte Vedra FL/NYC
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So, we as the most powerful nation on Earth should do nothing, stay the course & just follow the dummies?? Good plan.
should we use our so called power to bully the world? forcibly take from producers?
People need to wake up, we aren't the only players in this game.
Globalization of trade has been a success, we've helped elevate many country's standards of living, an unintended consequence of this rising level of world wide affluence is that there are millions upon millions of people driving cars, millions of people now have air conditioning, millions of people now have appliances we took for granted and they are competing for the same fuel that we are.
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Old 06-16-2008, 11:51 AM
 
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I agree with KERRY B on how gas prices got esculated. Everybody should have realised how everything is dependent on gas. Now we have no alternate for travel in the city other than car. We live in St. Johns county for good schools but the offices are atleast 20 miles one way for travel. It sucks to pay for gas. It's money down the drain. Now for every kids activity, it's not the fee that is more but the gas price that we calculate.

I wish somebody comes with a solution that makes us less dependant on gas.
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Old 06-16-2008, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Pretty soon, ya won't be able to afford to go to work.
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