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Old 06-20-2008, 08:30 PM
 
Location: New York City
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Here's my point. I also listened to John McCain's speech yesterday on "public financing" which is also relevant. Would an Obama supporter post his speech? I think not. Ron Paul gave a speech on "the right to bear arms". Would a McCain supporter post his speech? I think not.
You assume too much. Given I was not looking for McCain at the time, he is not posted here. If Fred Sanford, of television's Sanford & Son, had said it, his face would be the one speaking to you.

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So stop the b.s. about separating the message from the messenger. If the message is a trojan horse to promote your candidate, so be it, as long as the message has merit. Nothing wrong with that but why pretend. Better still, let's post on the Presidential Elections 2008 sub-forum where we can all have a go at each other.
I listen to hypocrites all day, and even they give me good advice. My alcoholic uncle tells me eveyday that alcohol is bad for the body and that no one should drink as much as he does; and trust me, he ain't tryna quit no time soon. So yes, it is possible to separate the message from the person... if you WANT to. With WANT being the operative word.

If you still don't get that, then it's for a lack of trying.
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Old 06-20-2008, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Jax
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I don't know, I really thought we could discuss this .

The title of the thread is "Finding common ground", the speech is about religion and beyond religion, and we live in Jacksonville where religious roots run deep.

We can leave it at that, we don't have to discuss anything, we can just let the thread die, but it would make for a more interesting discussion than "what neighborhood should I live it?", wouldn't it?
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Old 06-21-2008, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Middleburg, FL
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I'm sure that was very fun to write. The least I could do is be courteous enough to act offended. See below:

" Man Jon, you really put me in my place. Who did I think I was anyway, asking you to stay on the topic that I created and all. Man, I just won't learn."

[/sarcasm]

What-evs. What is with you and these invisible power struggles? Get a life... I'm moving on with mine!
Blah, blah...what's the word I'm looking for? Oh, yeah,now I remember...blah.
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Old 06-22-2008, 09:41 AM
 
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I don't know, I really thought we could discuss this .



We can leave it at that, we don't have to discuss anything, we can just let the thread die, but it would make for a more interesting discussion than "what neighborhood should I live it?", wouldn't it?
What she said...I'd love to have a frank discussion about the role of religion here in Jacksonville. How it differs from other areas....and is it changing.

I haven't seen the video so this is all IMHO. Having lived in the midwest and west coast I have never seen so many churches like there are here in JAX! And the assumption that I'm a Bible believing Christian was a bit strange.

My theory is this area had many tory refugees from the Revolutionary War...people who preferred the status quo and that has been the tradition in this area for a long time. Now, more of us transplants are coming in and what does that mean for the role of religion here?
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Old 06-23-2008, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Your Mom's House
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I don't know, I really thought we could discuss this .

The title of the thread is "Finding common ground", the speech is about religion and beyond religion, and we live in Jacksonville where religious roots run deep.

We can leave it at that, we don't have to discuss anything, we can just let the thread die, but it would make for a more interesting discussion than "what neighborhood should I live it?", wouldn't it?
Discussions about politics & religion always get heated.

"Believe in what I do!"

"No, you believe in what I do!"

Blah, if everyone was truly more accepting of one another & respected each other's beliefs, we wouldn't have these battles. It's been going on since the beginning of time & it won't ever stop. Entire wars are fought over it, so we're no different here. Even though the so-called "Christians" are supposed to be the ones who don't judge people, they still do, as do the non-believers.

We're only human I suppose.
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Old 06-23-2008, 09:16 PM
 
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Darn - now I can't hear the sound. Urgh!

Last edited by technobarbie; 06-23-2008 at 09:24 PM..
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Old 06-23-2008, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Jax
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Discussions about politics & religion always get heated.

"Believe in what I do!"

"No, you believe in what I do!"

Blah, if everyone was truly more accepting of one another & respected each other's beliefs, we wouldn't have these battles. It's been going on since the beginning of time & it won't ever stop. Entire wars are fought over it, so we're no different here. Even though the so-called "Christians" are supposed to be the ones who don't judge people, they still do, as do the non-believers.

We're only human I suppose.
All true, and that's what was so refreshing about the speech. Someone was finally saying we need to rethink this, we need to be inclusive to everyone and not just cater to the perceived majority. The trickle down effect to cities such as Jacksonville could really do a lot for relations between the people and relations between the people and their government.
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