07-02-2008, 10:49 PM
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Kids getting on your nerves this summer?
Why not send them to Camp Tracey?
They can work as free farm labor, not attend school, not be allowed family visits, and they'll be sexually abused. But hey, at least they're out of your hair and you can be sure they're getting in plenty of church-time (especially with no pesky school in the way).
Do I sound disgusted. I am. This f-ing place should be shut down. How many kids have to be used and abused and their childhood stolen from them by these pedophiles hiding behind their bibles??
Oh, and don't think for a minute that the kids' parents don't know what's going on. I know one of these parents personally and she knew what she was doing. Only a cult does not allow family to have contact with their child after dropping them off.
It kills me to think of how this place profits on top of profits. They're a church, so they pay no property taxes, and then they use free child labor to make their sausages and whatever else they're making there, so their profit margin on the products is huge........I'm just so, so disgusted
.
Here, in case you didn't know this hell-hole was in your backyard, here's their most recent case of abuse (it's far, far from the first):
Jacksonville.com (http://news.jacksonville.com/justin/2008/07/02/baker-youth-home-employee-charged-in-abuse/ - broken link)
07-02-2008, 11:10 PM
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That article was difusting. That's right, difusting. That's F**king Discusting. How are these people allowed to do this time after time after time? I have so many thoughts running through my mind... I couldn't possibly be fair if I tried. Hope I don't get jury duty.
07-03-2008, 12:52 AM
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There's a fine line between religion & cultism. I think they crossed it.
Quote:
Camp Tracey is a children's home dedicated to the salvaging and changing of the lives of at-risk youth. In America alone there are millions of young people enslaved by alcohol, drugs, prostitution, and other destructive elements. There are teenagers added to this number every day. Camp Tracey has reached, and will continue to reach, many of these at-risk youth. It is our goal to turn this desperate situation around with the aim and purpose of developing young men and women who are God- fearing, law-abiding and productive citizens.
And how exactly do they do this? I mean, are these people qualified to be doing this kind of work with kids?? I'm seriously doubting it. But hey, its church based right, so it's all good. No need to have any qualifications other than a big farm & The Bible.
07-03-2008, 09:18 PM
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Exactly Kerry
.
And if anyone thinks this doesn't affect them, it does, in many ways. I mentioned their legal tax evasion, but there's another way they get over on taxpayers. Since they don't educate these kids while they're in their care (often for years), the kids have to test for their GED. Many of these kids end up in the Duval county school system through a special charter division.
So because this is a church, they're not held to any standard that requires them to educate the kids...they just end up throwing them back at the public and say "here, you educate them". But they sure don't miss a day of bible study
.
I can't go into much detail, but I mentioned that I know someone who was sent to Camp Tracey and I was very against it from the beginning. I did the research and informed the parents of the issues of sexual and physical abuse and the signs of it being a cult, but the information provided was ignored
.
What is hitting the news now is "old news" for Camp Tracey, these offenses are actually part of the Camp Tracey culture and it surfaces every few years.
There are better local options for kids at risk like Daniel and there is a small police-run organization as well (can't remember the name
?). But Camp Tracey needs to be shut down...let's hope this time is the time it finally happens
.
Gradco, maybe we'll get lucky and end up on the jury
.
08-15-2008, 08:28 PM
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Can't believe I didn't pick up on it before, but this reminds me so much of
this South Park episode.
"Pray The Gay Away"
08-15-2008, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by
KerryB
Can't believe I didn't pick up on it before, but this reminds me so much of
this South Park episode.
"Pray The Gay Away"
The camp names even sort of rhyme
. I love South Park for how they handle these subjects - it's funny, but the truth is so close to the surface.
I just think that non-professionals, no matter how well-intentioned, aren't equipped to set up a structure that supports these kids. Instead, their misguided ways end up doing incredible damage
.
08-15-2008, 09:46 PM
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riveree
I just think that non-professionals, no matter how well-intentioned, aren't equipped to set up a structure that supports these kids. Instead, their misguided ways end up doing incredible damage
.
What are their intentions though? I mean, they have to know they're not qualified to do this type of work & thus not REALLY helping these kids. Throwing bibles at a troubled kid isn't gonna fix them right up, but I'm sure they think it does & maybe even the kid does sometimes too. Even though they're not really "fixed".
The part that scares me is what they consider "at risk" kids or what are the "other destructive elements"?? Like, a teen that maybe tried alcohol or smoking once, or maybe even had sexual relations with their girl or boyfriend? Not condoning it necessarily, but isn't that pretty much part of growing up??
What probably happens is their overly-religious parents find out, send them to places like this & they mess 'em up good & proper. And thats not even talking about the supposed sexual abuse thats going on at some of these places. Thats a freebee. And so is the brainwashing.
And like the South Park episode, I don't even wanna think what the "confused" teens who know deep down they're homosexual have to go through at places like this. Boggles the mind.
08-16-2008, 10:35 AM
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The kid I referenced earlier in the thread, I can't go into details, but aside from a bit of trouble in school (he did break some rules), there were no other significant issues, they simply wanted him out of the home.
It wasn't even that the parents were overly religious, though they are of the same religion as the camp, I really think it boiled down to convenience and cost. They could have afforded better, but this was a cheap solution. These unregulated church-based camps can run their camps much cheaper, they don't have to pay for qualified psychiatrists, for example, so they can run on a fraction of the cost. They can just hire unqualified help of the same "good intentions" for $10/hr to "counsel" the kids
.
I've thought a lot about this subject, long before I started this thread, and my best guess is that ego and greed play a big role with these camps. Their egos tell them that they know better than the professionals - which we know is completely delusional - and their greed tells them this is an easy way to make money. They play on parents' emotions (or lack thereof
) and they undercut the competition that really
can do something for the kids
.
09-08-2008, 08:58 AM
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Can anyone help????
09-08-2008, 11:58 AM
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ozorowsky
Can anyone help????
Both of my parents recently passed to cancer, and my mother STUPIDLY left custody of my brother to her "Friend." Well now this "friend" put my brother in this school. I haven't talked to him in 6 months. What do I do? How do I help my brother? How do I get custody of him? Can someone PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE point me to a legal forum, or in a direction that could help PLEASE???????? I don't know what to do to save him. I'm 28 years old willing to care for him, but I don't know how to do it legally. Please help.
If you like email me
Michaelozorowsky@hotmail.com thank you.
I'm so sorry to hear that, Michael
.
I wish I had an answer for you, but if someone else has legal custody, I don't know how that would work
?
Have you tried calling Jax Legal Aid and seeing if they can point you in a direction? They work in the areas of Youth Advocacy, Family Law, etc.:
jacksonville area legal aid - Service Areas (http://www.jaxlegalaid.org/v2/service_areas.html - broken link)
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People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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?). But Camp Tracey needs to be shut down...let's hope this time is the time it finally happens 
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