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Old 07-25-2010, 09:23 PM
 
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I do frequent the Denver forums and yes lots of californians are moving there but the biggest reason I see is cost of living. According to the statistics on this very site (dont shoot the messenger) So cal has about the same crime rating as denver, San Diego infact is much lower. I do see where you are coming from though because back in the 90s Californias was through the roof compared to Denver, some how they cleaned up their act.
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Old 07-25-2010, 11:29 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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I think Parks71 blows Jax crime up a little, even if stats are bad. Which by the way, if you never watch the news and aren't driving up and down Myrtle/Moncrief/west 103rd/Lane every day, you would think this city is the safest city you had been in.

That being said, Parks71 is by no means a troll, and very often has valid points. One point meant to be used against him as a troll was a link to a post where he was literally singing our medical system's praises (and his insurance, but beside the point). Springfield is not as safe probably as Marsh Landing, but it is now finally on par with most other urban non-gated neighborhoods like Riverside, San Marco, Avondale, and Ortega, and all of those neighborhoods are highly desired.

LA and NYC may not have as many violent crimes per capita as Jax, but even if that were the case, the worst neighborhoods in any city much bigger than Jax will most likely be worse than our worst neighborhoods. Many gangs were started in LA and Chicago, and the Mob is still in NYC, Philly, Chicago (been reading about Obama's Senate replacement's Mob ties in the WSJ recently), and other cities. Jax does not have those big of problems and while our city is corrupt like any city naturally is, it is nowhere near the same level of corruption as most other cities where cops are all bought by various crime syndicates (you will experience that in Boston, New Orleans, Detroit, LA, Chicago, and the list goes on).

I think part of the problem for ALL FL cities' crime levels is simply too much heat and humidity. It has been proven that heat brings out tempers in people, road rage is up in the summer across the country, and bla bla bla it's hot in FL for at least 8-9 months! Combine that with transience, poor education, a clash of so many cultures and groups, and accessibility to drugs and weapons through our ports and coastline and you get a recipe for higher crime. If we had the level of welfare that New York state/city has, we would have to triple entitlement culture contributions to crime.
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Old 07-28-2010, 07:56 PM
 
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So what do you think is the cause for all the crime in the city? There is no wrong answer.
Their so called AFFORDABLE HOUSING is definately the #1 cause that this city is now a hell hole.
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Old 07-28-2010, 08:11 PM
 
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What is the cause? I dont live in Jax. But I can bet you that 75% of the crime is black on black crime... drugs, gangs, the youth. Go to the Jax news website and you can see who is doing most of this crime. And people are sick of it.
You are soo right, and they receive free housing which has destroyed cracksonville,free food, free healthcare, and they steal/rob what ever else they need. and they drive better cars than the president!
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Old 07-28-2010, 08:19 PM
 
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When they started building so many so called AFFORDABLE HOUSINGS, watch the news alot of crime comes from there.
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Old 07-29-2010, 05:25 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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judy,

your ignorance is laughable. i'm embarassed for you.

Operation New Hope, here in Jax, provides "affordable housing". It's one of thier main missions.

So instead of a house costing 200k, it's based more on your income level, with a minimum price, of course. So teachers, police officers, firemen, single people, etc can afford to buy a new home.

Such as this:



http://www.intownjacksonville.com/images/low_country.JPG (broken link)

that's pretty horrible huh?

Also, yes. Most crime, unfortunately, is black on black crime. More specifically, very poor black on black crime. Even more specifically, very poor, drug-related, black on black crime.

"They" don't get free housing, free blah blah blah.

Anyone does who qualifies.

Your stereotyping methodology went of style in the 1960's. Try and keep up.
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Old 07-29-2010, 12:20 PM
 
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I can see Judy's point of view and I think you just misunderstood her FSU. What I got out of her points were, the lower the costs for houses, more poor people can move in. Crime comes from lower incomes much more than higher incomes so that brings more crime with lower cost housing. Any low income appartment complex usually have more crime.


I dont want to get off topic, but I have mixed feelings about these houses you present FSU. Why should they get housing cheaper? I can understand providing cheaper or even free education to help break a cycle but I am not so sure I like the idea of cheaper housing based off income. It starts to sound like socialism which I am not a fan of. My mother, aunt and 2 cousins are school teachers and they have houses with out assistance from anyone.
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Old 07-29-2010, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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You're a fan of using word "socialist", huh.

That's explains a lot about your perspective.
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Old 07-29-2010, 12:30 PM
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Location: bold new city of the south
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I believe most of our crime problems stem from parents (mostly men) not being disciplinarians like in the old days. Many men just aren't there for their kids. Boys will gravitate to men (or boys, if they can't find men) for leadership. Those who can play sports at least have coaches. Lots of 'men' are good sperm donors, but don't work and/or have time for their kids.
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Old 07-29-2010, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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It's not socialism because it is a non-profit providing the home/service, not the government.
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