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Unread 03-12-2009, 10:42 AM
 
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Anyone worried about the only newspaper we have in JAX might go bankrupt like few others have in other cities?

To be frank, I'm worried that if they do go down, how are we suppose get our ads and coupons? They could use some city bailout plan.

As I type this, their website is down
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Unread 03-12-2009, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville - Washington DC
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I don't think Jax could go without a major newspaper in town. If the TU were to shut down operations, I'd expect a smaller paper to fill the void (like the Daily Record) or a regional paper to move in (eg Orlando Sentinel). I guess if that happened, they'd probably have those coupons for ya.
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Unread 03-12-2009, 12:12 PM
 
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If by "worried" you mean "ready to celebrate" then, yes.

Maybe it's a generational thing, but I don't get my news from the print media anymore, and I don't really think they add any value that won't be filled by other outlets upon their demise.
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Unread 03-12-2009, 12:43 PM
 
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Most likely they would continue to publish while the parent chain reorganizes under bankruptcy. But the potential demise of any paper is nothing to celebrate, even beyond the jobs lost by some very hardworking people. (12-14-hour days and low pay are common in newspaper newsrooms.) The "other outlets" referred to earlier, whether internet, TV, or radio, often simply pick up the work of newspaper reporters and editors (and television network reporters and editors, to a lesser extent). And the Associated Press cannot come close to covering your town and state the way even a mediocre daily newspaper can. Nor can local radio and TV stations, or weekly "shopper" papers. They don't have nearly enough reporters and editors, experience, or the freedom from interference by advertisers to do that job the way a newspaper can. So support your local newspaper.
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Unread 03-12-2009, 07:07 PM
 
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Newspapers are getting double teamed right now. One way is from the economy, the other is from the fact that newspapers in general are becoming irrelevant. You cant really save what doesn't have a future.

Yes yes, I know many people still enjoy getting up in the morning & flipping through their paper. But the paper itself will never ever be able to compete with their web counterparts that can be updated throughout the day.

As technologies like the Kindle & just mobile devices (phones) in general become more & more part of our everyday lives, the way we get information is obviously reflecting that.

It always sucks when major transitions like this happen because it devastates the "old ways" of doing things & therefor many people lose jobs. But I honestly dont see how they can be saved, at least not in their current form. This is basically the weeding out of old ways & is inevitable.
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Unread 03-12-2009, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL, USA
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Speaking of the Kindle, you can subscribe to some major papers using the Kindle, including the New York Times and the WSJ. The problem is, the Kindle is really designed for paperback books. It is too small for something like a paper or magazine. Plus, everybody has to go through the Amazon gateway.

All of the major print media companies need to pull out all of the stops and make the jump to EPaper, but not necessarily the Kindle. They need something that is tailered to their needs. They need something easily readable, portable, durable, uncomplicated and with enough space to satisfy advertisers. The emphasis should be on portability and readability.

As an example, rumor has it that Hearst has a project underway to put out some sort of device, about the size of an 8 by 11 inch paper, bendable and foldable, on which to publish some of its papers and magazines. I believe the content would be updated wirelessly, at Hearst's expense. Of course, you pay a subscription fee to get content.

Just think of the potential of something like this. The news could be updated as often as it is on the web. Advertisers can do the same, perhaps publishing ads for an event that lasts for an afternoon. With EPaper, newspapers might eventually wind up looking like something out of the Harry Potter movies.

I think it may be a good idea for the papers to give such devices out either for free or at a deep discount, similar to cell phones.
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Unread 03-12-2009, 08:03 PM
 
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If by "worried" you mean "ready to celebrate" then, yes.
Ha Ha !

I agree, no tears shed here either . Print newspapers are reaching their natural demise. I think we can expect better journalism coming from the internet in the future - the end of one empire, the beginning of a new one.

Besides, we still have Folio ! And Folio is free - has been all along.
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Unread 03-12-2009, 09:41 PM
 
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Lol. Better journalism from who? Who will write and edit those stories on the internet? Ad revenue for newspaper web sites is miniscule, with no sign of any improvement soon. The print editions pay the salaries of the reporters and editors who bring you the news.
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Unread 03-12-2009, 10:12 PM
 
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I don't really buy that argument. Internet content will be generated by television news reports, as well as local niche newspapers (entertainment, business, and legal papers) which might still thrive in the future. But the traditional local newspaper is obsolete and no longer serves any purpose.

I think it's mostly wishful thinking that the internet will rely on print media for content - or that the print media's investigative journalism can't be replaced. EVERYTHING ELSE that a traditional newspaper does is being replaced, so this won't be any different.

With the advent of cable and the internet, everything a newspaper does can be easily replicated by another medium. Classifieds, sports scores, financial market info, comics, movie listings, etc. can all exist without newspapers. As demographics shift, and a few laws are tweaked, the internet will surely take over even things like obituaries and public record notices. Newspapers have nothing left.

I think it's also important to remember the historical context. In the late 19th and early 20th century, newspapers were even more dominant. Even small cities would have half a dozen serious newspapers. But radio and TV killed all that. Newspapers were shrinking and declining even before we were born. However, in typical government fashion, Congress protected the newspapers by prohibiting a local paper and local TV station from being owned by the same company. The internet is a nice big legal loophole which finally allows TV stations to directly compete with papers through their websites. TV will provide the internet with written content, and the local papers will lose.
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Unread 03-13-2009, 02:43 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville - Washington DC
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However, in typical government fashion, Congress protected the newspapers by prohibiting a local paper and local TV station from being owned by the same company. The internet is a nice big legal loophole which finally allows TV stations to directly compete with papers through their websites. TV will provide the internet with written content, and the local papers will lose.
This was exactly what I was gonna say. Glad I read through the entire thread before posting...I would've just repeated you there.

Interestingly, the Times Union site was recently ranked 4th in the nation for newspaper websites.

Jacksonville.com ranked No. 4 among newspaper sites | Jacksonville.com
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