Jim Crow alive and well at Memorial Hospital (home, unemployment)

[missy13]

I have been sitting all morning, trying to keep myself still. Encourageing self to remain strong and in control. I have never had anything like this to happen to me, but it sparked a place that I have never been, in which the anger and pain is so intensed...if I was not grounded in Jesus
But my questions to all
1. Have you ever been employed where you have no disciplinary actions in you personnel folder. Suddently you now have seven, that was never discussed with you. You now ask to see them, and they are not available. Guess what, these verbal warning you have never seen or ever discussed with you before you are told they exist, are not available for you to see still have turned to FINAL WARNING....THE NEXT Step TERMINATION.

[runswithscissors]

No that never happened to me because I was union and when I was management we didnt operate that way.

It makes no sense. Did you get THIS discussion in writing at least? You need to ask for it in writing.

This is why unions are so important. This is a right to work state. That being said depending on the size of your company there should be an HR department and written rules of "coaching". Most times it states when something was reviewed with the employee and most times you sign the paper. Unless you are union we refuse to sign anything but our paycheck.

Ask the supervisor if they would like to go to the HR department with you or should you go alone. Then call and make an appointment and go discuss it with them. If you don't have one, do that with your supervisor's superior. Informing them first, then going right away before they have time to get to them. Of course a final warning should already have been discussed with your supervisor's supervisor. Low managers don't make those decisions alone.

Sometimes it's because there' s an audit and they are trying to cover up for their previous error.

For example, if you SHOULD HAVE been on attendance control for absence but they didn't bother. NOW they have an audit by someone and it's about to be uncovered so they rush back to phoney up the records to protect themselves from having it come out they weren't following their own procedures.

Things like that happen all the time. One of you is guilty. Either you or them so it's up to you to figure out why and how it happened and the most DIPLOMATIC way to resolve it.

If you're close to being fired you need to also ensure you have the ability to fix it. Absence is easy to fix, performance is not. Posting on the internet the name of the place and referencing racial overtones isn't exactly the smartest way to go about it. If you are saying you are treated seperately while they claim to treat you equally then you should have peers that you can point to to prove your allegations. Otherwise Jim Crow accusation is just emotional and wont help you to think that way. And in a hospital I think it is not likely a racial deal isn't there alot of diversity in hospitals?

If it's a hospital they have an HR department and certainly have RULES about performance, absence etc. Should not be difficult to figure out the mystery if you dive in and take action, imo.

[missy13]

HR was present...and you are right the decision could not have been made without HR....I followed up in writting...but I am told by some of the other Nurses that I was terminated....

[missy13]

The verbals really was not on performance? Once I wore scrubs the colors we can wear, but they have to be made by these 2 companies. I found the same color cheeper and I was out of uniform. I did not know this mean you have a verbal.

[Dappleganger]

Right to Work states are awful...doesn't mean that you cannot investigate and sue, however. Suing people will take a huge chunk out of your life and you will end up with little, or much less than when you began.

[blakesq]

Haha. Right to work states are awful! Good one. GM is doing really well due to their "partnership" with the unions.

Originally Posted by Dappleganger

Right to Work states are awful...doesn't mean that you cannot investigate and sue, however. Suing people will take a huge chunk out of your life and you will end up with little, or much less than when you began.

[runswithscissors]

Originally Posted by blakesq

Haha. Right to work states are awful! Good one. GM is doing really well due to their "partnership" with the unions.

LOL now, now ... unions are not unilaterally bad. Unions also ensure that the company can enforce it's rules and demands without the employee making a stink (so to speak).

For example, I can tell you without a doubt that when you call the phone company here, you are getting unskilled call center KIDS who are sneaking stuff on your line or trying to because there are no rules here whatsoever. They fire 80-90% of new hires and just rotate in a new batch of unskilled kids constantly. Cheap, easy, no commitment no benefits no nothing.

Versus in the union part of the company like PA we do not get away with consumer FRAUD like that because of union company agreements and there is a SEMBLANCE of a career you can have.

A more realistic GM example may be for you...without a union, GM managers actually could have had an person not even TRAINED attach your chassis to the body if they were short handed where with the union work rules it is forbidden to replace unskilled workers into skilled jobs.

If you never worked in a union, you really have no idea of all the benefits it provides. To the consumer, the worker and the company albeit the company hates it. It's not all about lowest cost worker unless you think quality doesnt matter. Like CHINA. killing kids and dogs with melemine in all our foods. etc.

How about Walmart with MANY MANY GUILTY PLEAS and consent decrees of breaking labor laws repeatedly. google it. Working people off the clock which is very stupid since if you get hurt you can sue them for millions instead of their workman's comp covering it.

Edited to add: I was union for 10 years or so but management for 20 , both sides of the argument.

[runswithscissors]

Originally Posted by blakesq

Haha. Right to work states are awful! Good one. GM is doing really well due to their "partnership" with the unions.

Ford's CEO was just on tv saying how well they have done with the partnership with UAW.

Toyota is in the same mess as Detroit and they have no union and no legacy costs AND they are subsidized by their home country.

The unions are not responsible for car design, lending drying up or congress imposing standards on them that the MANAGEMENT of the companies did not react to or fight back on.

It's really not all that simple.

[runswithscissors]

Originally Posted by missy13

The verbals really was not on performance? Once I wore scrubs the colors we can wear, but they have to be made by these 2 companies. I found the same color cheeper and I was out of uniform. I did not know this mean you have a verbal.

I hope you are not terminated like your other post says. If so, go right away to unemployment they will probably sign anyway. How can you be fired but not know? Did they suspend you? They may have a letter in the mail telling you about termination. But it's really tacky to tell your coworkers first before you.

Wow. Yeah that's called "work rules" So they told you you couldn't wear those particular scrubs but didn't tell you it was a "write up" it sounds like you're saying.

It's really hard understanding corporate culture if you're new at it or new at a place. My advise is if you are not terminated go right to HR and review all your infractions then get the RULES and make sure you follow them or ASK if it's ok when you do something and plead for a second chance.

[missy13]

Why should I beg....that is what they want me to do. The HR policy and procedures are written for a reason, and should be followed for me as well as you. Jim Crow era had rules according to your color of your skin. Memorial does not tell you the policies and procedures will be different...but they were. yes I was new there 2 1/2 years, but I have been in this profession over 25 years