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Old 01-11-2013, 07:20 AM
 
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Old 01-11-2013, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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As long as Jaguar is built in England, with English labor, it will never be a reliable car.

JD Power is worthless to me. Their sample size is too small (compared to Consumer Reports 1M vehicles) and JD Power accepts money from automakers.

Measuring "satisfaction" includes a big dose of dealer suck up. As a premium car, the dealers treat you very well. And you will see them often.

The most impactful measure of Jaguar reliability may be its resale value. Look how little it takes to buy a three year old XF.

I owned a 2000 S-type 4.0. I loved the car. I kept it to 127,000 miles. It was not a disaster and never stranded me, though it came close. Two thermostats failed in the first 50,000 miles causing it to (almost) overheat. I had other repairs, none cheap, but none that scared me. I love the style and "feel" of Jaguar, but buying one new is out of the question. I would buy a lightly used one and take advantage of the huge depreciation. Then learn how to service it myself.
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Old 01-11-2013, 08:19 AM
 
Location: SW France
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As long as Jaguar is built in England, with English labor, it will never be a reliable car.

JD Power is worthless to me. Their sample size is too small (compared to Consumer Reports 1M vehicles) and JD Power accepts money from automakers.

Measuring "satisfaction" includes a big dose of dealer suck up. As a premium car, the dealers treat you very well. And you will see them often.

The most impactful measure of Jaguar reliability may be its resale value. Look how little it takes to buy a three year old XF.

I owned a 2000 S-type 4.0. I loved the car. I kept it to 127,000 miles. It was not a disaster and never stranded me, though it came close. Two thermostats failed in the first 50,000 miles causing it to (almost) overheat. I had other repairs, none cheap, but none that scared me. I love the style and "feel" of Jaguar, but buying one new is out of the question. I would buy a lightly used one and take advantage of the huge depreciation. Then learn how to service it myself.
Interesting comment.

How come?
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Old 01-11-2013, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Baldock, hertfordshire, England
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Why no pictures?
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Old 01-11-2013, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I used to know a couple of tow trucks guys (from when I worked at a body shop). They said they did more Jags relative to the Jag population...I have a long commute. Sometimes in the middle of the night. Reliability is a big deal to me.
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Old 01-11-2013, 09:39 AM
 
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Interesting comment.

How come?
There are no reliable British cars. Really. Old British cars had bad parts (especially electrics). But they were always sloppily assembled except for Rolls. No British car will ever be as reliable as a Toyota or Honda.

How is that Jaguar and Ranger Rover which cost tons of money, after many decades including different owners, still have bad reliability? The one constant is labor and their factories.
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Old 01-11-2013, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Baldock, hertfordshire, England
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There are no reliable British cars. Really. Old British cars had bad parts (especially electrics). But they were always sloppily assembled except for Rolls. No British car will ever be as reliable as a Toyota or Honda.

How is that Jaguar and Ranger Rover which cost tons of money, after many decades including different owners, still have bad reliability? The one constant is labor and their factories.
Because people still buy them?

Why improve reliability when people buy them anyway?

In fact, given the cost of replacement parts, its probably beneficial to build them badly.
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Old 01-11-2013, 09:49 AM
 
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The one constant is labor and their factories.
That's two factors there not one!
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Old 01-11-2013, 09:53 AM
 
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No British car will ever be as reliable as a Toyota or Honda.
Toyota UK has a huge export business.
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Old 01-11-2013, 09:55 AM
 
Location: The Woodlands
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As long as Jaguar is built in England, with English labor, it will never be a reliable car.
Again you are wrong, Toyota UK are doing exactly this.

One big difference between the UK Toyota factory and the UK Jaquar factory is the presence of Unions. Draw your own conclusions.
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