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Old 06-28-2010, 11:10 AM
 
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And it's wrong. In part, at least. Some of those phrases are weak, but some which she claims are "so out of date in 2010" in fact are still quite common in job descriptions. And she overlooks that it's not an either/or situation...i.e. don't JUST have those phrases, obviously, but they can be "useful" in cover letters or personal summaries, albeit only because hiring people still use them and in so doing ask for them so much (still).

But then again, she's an HR slug, so what do you expect. Hopefully she made a better VP than it would appear
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Old 06-28-2010, 02:03 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Just saying these things are true is ineffective. Nearly everyone will say these thing. What I am recomending is to give examples of accomplishments in your resume that show the traits below are true.
Spelling & good grammar help.
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Old 06-28-2010, 03:04 PM
 
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Some employers require an exact match of "KSAs" which must be listed on an application or resume. It can be something as simple as "sitting or standing for 8 hours", but if it is not listed, the candidate will not be considered. This is common in federal and state government jobs, but it happens in the private sector as well.

For an example of "KSAs" see:
What Are KSAs? - VA JOBS

This is what happens when screening is turned over to generic MBA types who have no experience in the relevant field. They are looking for a word-for-word match.

Some of these job listings are phony anyway, they are simply posted to fill the requirement for collection applications when an internal candidate or referral has already been selected.
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Old 06-28-2010, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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Just saying these things are true is ineffective. Nearly everyone will say these thing. What I am recomending is to give examples of accomplishments in your resume that show the traits below are true.
and THAT should be addressed in your cover letter, not your resume.

Of course that was in the days before we had drones manning HR departments.
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Old 06-28-2010, 04:13 PM
 
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None of the HR people I know have MBAs. They are all incompetent English majors with real world experience. lol.

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Some employers require an exact match of "KSAs" which must be listed on an application or resume. It can be something as simple as "sitting or standing for 8 hours", but if it is not listed, the candidate will not be considered. This is common in federal and state government jobs, but it happens in the private sector as well.

For an example of "KSAs" see:
What Are KSAs? - VA JOBS

This is what happens when screening is turned over to generic MBA types who have no experience in the relevant field. They are looking for a word-for-word match.

Some of these job listings are phony anyway, they are simply posted to fill the requirement for collection applications when an internal candidate or referral has already been selected.
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Old 06-28-2010, 04:44 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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Just saying these things are true is ineffective. Nearly everyone will say these thing. What I am recomending is to give examples of accomplishments in your resume that show the traits below are true.
Yes, but then trying to keep it under two pages (tops!) is almost impossible. You can't convey much in a resume and keep it brief. My thoughts are resumes are to entice. Interviews are to explain.

20yrsinBranson
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Old 06-29-2010, 05:20 PM
 
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Some companies want these specific phrases and other would like a more individual apporach. Unfortunately for applicants, theres no way to tell what kind of company your applying to. I've always been told to use similar language as to whats in the job posting.
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Old 06-29-2010, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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You know, saying statements on resumes are "boastful" is hilarious really - It's a RESUME, that means it's a way to SELL YOUR SKILLS...........so according to you they're being boastful.......

ay yi yi
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Old 06-29-2010, 09:40 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Cooks muffins

Isn't going to get you the job, now is it?

20yrsinBranson


Although maybe "cooks extra yummy chocolate chip muffins for coworkers" just might.
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Old 06-29-2010, 10:47 PM
 
Location: finally back to New York City!!!
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ok here is the new resume words:

Bullcrapper (great verbal skills)
does email during work hours (good written skills)
surf porn websites (proficient in mircrosoft)
takes whiteout from office suppy cabinet when taking inventory to order (origanizational skills)
likes to paint nail with whiteout when bored (hardworker)
shuffles papers back and forth to look busy ( again the hardworker)
hates everyone associated with work ( TEAM PLAYER!!!)
uses hand signal especially middle fingers (interpersonal skills)

I LOVE THIS ONE.... too funny!!!
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