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Old 06-21-2012, 01:33 AM
 
Location: California
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P.S. It could also just be coincidence, in terms of your success with male vs female interviewers. Isn't that possible?? I've never kept track of these things myself, so I have no idea if my track record is better or worse with men... and the mere fact that you HAVE noticed is kinda suspect.
This was the part of the post that led me to think OP is dealing with female interviewers differently. I have NO clue how many times I have had successful interviews with women compared to how many successful with men. No clue. The fact that OP does makes me wonder if there is a focus on this that should not be there.
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Old 06-21-2012, 01:42 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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This was the part of the post that led me to think OP is dealing with female interviewers differently. I have NO clue how many times I have had successful interviews with women compared to how many successful with men. No clue. The fact that OP does makes me wonder if there is a focus on this that should not be there.
I agree....if you are talking about dozens of interviews, being able to discern complete success with men vs failure with women suggests that something is very wrong. But if the sample size is a lot smaller, then the statistics tell us a lot less.
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Old 06-21-2012, 02:22 AM
 
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This. You should be interviewing like you would with anyone, male or female. You may not even realize it, but it's obvious you have some issues with comfort (and respect) levels around women - and perhaps with having a female boss in general?

I'm a woman in a female-dominant profession, so I may not be the best one to judge... but the thread's title alone caught my attention, and had me thinking "misogynist red alert!!" We can read those attitudes very quickly, even if it's not something you do consciously. Just treat her like you would any professional employer, and pretend she's a lesbian if that helps any.
I agree, I don't really see what the problem is. You research the company, make eye contact, etc.
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Old 06-21-2012, 03:30 AM
 
Location: California
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The kind of conversation you might have with a friend while drinking beers and talking about old girlfriends is probably marked with different kinds of words, body language, and vocal tones than the kind of conversation you have with a boss while trying to resolve a problem in front of a customer. In both cases, you can be completely comfortable with either the boss or the friend, but there is a big difference in how you conduct yourself. An interview for a job is a lot more like having a work conversation in front of a customer than a casual conversation where no one important is listening to you and your friend in the bar or at the backyard BBQ.
Please cite sources to back up the statement.
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Old 06-21-2012, 01:28 PM
 
Location: California
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bunny's "misogynistic" accusation makes me laugh. She is WAY off and may be a little paranoid.

I think Coco6163 is closest to identifying the problem, except for the part about inappropriate behavior. I have a good gauge on what's appropriate and what is not in an interview. However, Coco is correct that I do try to form a rapport and make friends. I was told to do this by an experienced retail manager who said most apparel retail managers are young and social and want to work with people they can have fun with and get along with. I can do this easily with male interviewers (while also communicating my leadership, organizational and sales abilities) but I seem not to click as easily with the females (and I have a lot of female friends so that's weird to me).
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Old 06-22-2012, 12:08 AM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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If OP has been interviewing for jobs for several years or more, I would agree. But I am betting this is a fairly young person relatively inexperienced with interviewing. His post actually shows recognition of a problem and a desire to correct it. That is hardly misogynistic.

Of course, I agree that the interviewer should be given the same respect regardless of gender. But I think that OP may be doing just that, and being inappropriate in both cases. He may just be getting away with it when he interviewer is a male because the dynamic in the room is different, and OP cannot get away with the same inappropriate conduct with a female interviewer. So improving interview skills for his interviews with BOTH men and women will probably help.
Oh, I agree he could use some advice and guidance - and I wasn't actually saying he IS a misogynist, I just said the thread's title set off that red flag.

Perhaps meeting with a job counselor, and/or doing some "mock interviews" would help? It's difficult for us to analyze the problem, when we can't even see his behavior at those interviews.
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Old 06-22-2012, 12:11 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Perhaps meeting with a job counselor, and/or doing some "mock interviews" would help? It's difficult for us to analyze the problem, when we can't even see his behavior at those interviews.
Good advice.
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Old 06-22-2012, 12:13 AM
 
Location: California
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bunny's "misogynistic" accusation makes me laugh. She is WAY off and may be a little paranoid.

I think Coco6163 is closest to identifying the problem, except for the part about inappropriate behavior. I have a good gauge on what's appropriate and what is not in an interview. However, Coco is correct that I do try to form a rapport and make friends. I was told to do this by an experienced retail manager who said most apparel retail managers are young and social and want to work with people they can have fun with and get along with. I can do this easily with male interviewers (while also communicating my leadership, organizational and sales abilities) but I seem not to click as easily with the females (and I have a lot of female friends so that's weird to me).
That wasn't me. Please learn to read the threads and make sure you attribute the right statements to the right person. Especially if you are then going to start attacking character, it is really a good plan to be correct in who said what. Sort of lose credibility when you go after people for saying things they didn't say when it is right in front of you in the thread.

Just a thought.....
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Old 06-22-2012, 12:13 AM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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This was the part of the post that led me to think OP is dealing with female interviewers differently. I have NO clue how many times I have had successful interviews with women compared to how many successful with men. No clue. The fact that OP does makes me wonder if there is a focus on this that should not be there.
Yup... like if somebody made the same statement regarding white vs non-white interviewers, you'd have to wonder "why are they paying so much attention to this?" It could be they have a problem with certain races, or even quite the opposite - where they're so afraid to be offensive or racist, it begins to have the opposite effect on how they behave. Know what I mean?
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Old 06-22-2012, 12:20 AM
 
Location: California
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Yup... like if somebody made the same statement regarding white vs non-white interviewers, you'd have to wonder "why are they paying so much attention to this?" It could be they have a problem with certain races, or even quite the opposite - where they're so afraid to be offensive or racist, it begins to have the opposite effect on how they behave. Know what I mean?
I do. And I think you have a point...although if you notice, OP attributed your statement about coming off as a mysoginist to me and implied that I was a little paranoid for saying it. So who knows what OP will say about you for this one. Or what he will say about me..... LOL
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