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Old 06-27-2012, 02:38 PM
 
Location: South Jersey
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They have no right to your paystubs, as others have said that is your own personal information. That is the almost the same as asking if they can see your tax return. How many of you would actually let them see that? I know I wouldnt.
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Old 06-27-2012, 02:54 PM
 
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Just trying to come up with a way he could avoid showing them the stubs. Youre very critical, nothing positive to help someone, easier to criticize what others try than to do anything though.
Something positive? Be honest. Simply say that your old salary is not relevant to the performance on the new job, and as such, you don't see why a physical pay stub is relevant to the salary negotiation. If they are impressed enough with the OP as a candidate, they will be OK with it. If they aren't impressed, they will not be.

There isn't much positive to say when a person has been caught in a lie. I personally am not a huge fan of thinking of ways to help someone creatively screw a company over, but you might disagree.
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Old 06-27-2012, 03:17 PM
 
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Thank you all.

"Also, because we are offering you a good starting salary, with sales training required, I need to substantiate to Corp. your current salary. Would you be able to provide a recent salary stub?"

What do you recommend as an answer?
When I got my current job I was asked to show my pay stubs and tax returns but it was only to confirm my dates of employment. I blacked out the dollar amounts. It sounds like your sales training is what would substantiate your starting salary to Corp. Him throwing in that bit about your recent salary stub might be to confirm your dates of employment.
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Old 06-27-2012, 03:42 PM
 
Location: South Jersey
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When I got my current job I was asked to show my pay stubs and tax returns but it was only to confirm my dates of employment. I blacked out the dollar amounts. It sounds like your sales training is what would substantiate your starting salary to Corp. Him throwing in that bit about your recent salary stub might be to confirm your dates of employment.

What if you were with a company for 10 years, are they going to want to see 10 years worth of paystubs? If they need to verify dates of employment, the OP can get a letter from HR. Or now most companies use The Work Number.
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Old 06-27-2012, 04:24 PM
 
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Let me see if I understand this in the context of so many other threads here. Companies totally screw the person seeking a position by not advertising the pay for a position. But the company wants to confirm that the salary the one stated is currently receiving is true, they have no right to know. And then there are the evil companies who tell you what the salary is for the position, but offer you less. But it's OK to knowingly inflate one's salary by some 25% but then decline to prove one did not lie? I'm just trying to understand these new rules.

Now, if you stated "I believe my qualifications and experience can demand a salary of $60K for the position," cool. No issue. But it's going to come out that you lied to them. I hope it works out for you, but I have my doubts. Please come back and let us know.
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:00 PM
 
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When I got my current job I was asked to show my pay stubs and tax returns
You had an employer ask for your TAX RETURNS?
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque
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...am I interested in working for a company asking me for
paystubs? Should I confess or refuse to show stubs?
Just scan your pay stubs and forge the numbers.

If you made 48k and told them 60k, then you made about $1,846 vs $2,308 per bi-weekly pay.
Change the numbers, paste the new image into Word or something and print it out.

If you can't do it yourself, pay a graphics shop to do it for you.

Better yet, go visit the local community college and offer $100 for a student to do it.
You can probably find a high school student who can do it. It's a pretty easy task.

This is not a problem at all.

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I can't believe that the company is even concerned about what you made.
They know what the position is worth, they were prepared to pay you.
Screw them.

= - = - = - = - = - = - = - = < addendum > = - = - = - = - = - =

It's possible that your pay stub was printed on some kind of form or something.
Just edit out stuff like paper-feed holes, etc and maybe use some sort of heavy,
colored paper stock for your final product to make it look more "official."

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Old 06-27-2012, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Durham, NC
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^^^^ I think that's your best option. Next time don't lie? Or can you say that the part that isn't substantiated on your cheque was an annual bonus and you don't have the end of the year paystub?
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:24 PM
 
Location: in my mind
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I don't think scanning it and forging the numbers will work- you would have to try to closely guess all of the various deductions, taxes, with holdings, etc ...
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:26 PM
 
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More than likely the company has a set salary range for the position and the 62k is well above the current base so they are trying to justify why they are willing to offer you more than the standard. Basically they are saying they really like you but need justification.

I have heard of a W2 before for sales related jobs to verify if said salesperson is as "successful" as they present. Illegal? Absolutely not. Just a condition of the offer.

I caution the poster to play thus game carefully. During an employment verification they could possibly very well confirm salary based on what disclosure they have the person sign.

A lot of the advice on this thread is ridiculous and can get the op hired to be fired.

The best way to handle these types of interviews would to be honest about salary and then be very honest and clear what you will or will NOT accept for an offer.

The web the poster has weaves is that no matter what he says it will come off as a lie. The employer is not stupid and this whole bs about oh my current company won't let me is just that and they will know that.
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