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Old 07-09-2012, 09:28 AM
 
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In this economy I do not recommend leaving your current position and moving without a new job offer.

Think about what I suggest long and hard and realize the job market is much worse than the press is letting on.

Keep looking while you are still working. Send resumes to the area you are interested in and if need be take three day weekends (using built up vacation time and saved money)

Be responsible and set the stage for success before moving.
I do appreciate your taking the time to provide me with valuable insight. I will be certain to keep this in mind. Thank you.
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Old 07-09-2012, 09:32 AM
 
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I don't think it is so much as viewed as lazy but viewed as.....

So... no one else wants you, what is wrong with you? Why would I Want you?
What an unwise stance to take in this economy.
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Old 07-09-2012, 09:36 AM
 
Location: NW San Antonio
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Theres a diffence in our personal perception also, when we are working, we don't work as hard to find a job, we as a candidate are more picky, we apply only to the perfect job, and we are patient. while being unemployed, we become more desperate to get a job, and we get turned down more, because we apply to almost everything. so, partly, no, its not true, its perception. Most employers are smart enough to understand the situation our economy has put some very good workers into, and they are willing to take a chance on hiring the unemployed.
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Old 07-09-2012, 09:41 AM
 
Location: southern california
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easier is a relative term. looking for work (in earnest) is the hardest work i have ever done.
required flawless poise relaxed manner under great duress.
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Old 07-09-2012, 10:39 AM
 
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Hard to say whether it is worse when you have a job or not. On the one hand there are is usually more competition when you don't have a job, discrimination aside. But if you do have a job you may not have the time to devote to the search and scheduling interviews can be a problem.
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Old 07-09-2012, 02:57 PM
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Location: Tall Building down by the river
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harder to find one when you are no longer employed....
Is this true from your experience? If so, what is the reasoning behind this? I have heard this and have never understood why this is. Please share your knowledge and experience.
No it's not easier to find a job when you already have one because you don't have as much "flexibility" for interviewing especially if the company has a 3 interview process. So that means you may have to keep taking off to go to a interview. Only if you have a strong network and can be offered a job without interviewing.
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Old 10-18-2013, 04:43 PM
 
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I had initially believed the myth that it is easier to find a job when you have one, but this did not hold true for me. I was employed full time, and sought out employment elsewhere. The perspective employer was aware I worked all day, and was amenable to meeting me late in day, for what turned out to be multiple interviews dragged out over course of a month. A couple of these were requested rather last minute, based on their availability, and the drive from present place of employment was lonnnnggg. It was much work and effort on my part, and all the way through, I was told how much they loved me. Guess what? In the end, they completely blindsided me by deciding to go with someone who did not have to provide two weeks notice to an employer before starting!!! In my final interview, the individual had seemed uncomfortable with this. So, they weren't in such a big hurry that they didn't take a month to get through three interviews, and they held it AGAINST me that I insisted on providing notice to my employer of many years? Wouldn't you think they'd see that as...honorable? Nevermind that they knew I needed to provide notice from day one.

So, several years later I am now in a position I am not happy in, and based on past experience of hassle of working out interviews while being employed only to lose positions to people who are immediately available, etc? I am going to resign first, and search later. I would recommend this to anyone who has the financial means to do without an income for up to six months. Also, I have never had anyone who could provide an answer to how an employed person, in a position to negotiate a salary and be more discerning, is MORE attractive to a prospective employer than someone who is not?

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Old 10-18-2013, 07:07 PM
 
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I've never seen a difference from when I was unemployed and when I was employed.
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Old 10-18-2013, 07:22 PM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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These days, sadly true, in most cases.

It seems that:

1/ If you are long term unemployed, something "must be wrong with you". I don't agree with that, but that seems to be the perception.

2/ You have much more negotiating leverage if you have a job. If someone wants to recruit you away from your current position, they have to give you a much better offer, in most cases.

3/ Your skills are current since you are employed.

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harder to find one when you are no longer employed....
Is this true from your experience? If so, what is the reasoning behind this? I have heard this and have never understood why this is. Please share your knowledge and experience.
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Old 10-18-2013, 07:46 PM
 
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I think part of it is that when you are unemployed you will take any job, regardless of if you really want it or it is a good fit. You are basically desperate and might be more likely to quit earlier because of this after you start. An employed person does not have these issues because they will not leave their current job unless the new one is truly a better fit for them..
Yep, you can be more choosey and there is a little less stress involved since you aren't worried about how long your savings will last you.

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In the end, they completely blindsided me by deciding to go with someone who did not have to provide two weeks notice to an employer before starting!!! In my final interview, the individual had seemed uncomfortable with this. So, they weren't in such a big hurry that they didn't take a month to get through three interviews, and they held it AGAINST me that I insisted on providing notice to my employer of many years? Wouldn't you think they'd see that as...honorable? Nevermind that they knew I needed to provide notice from day one.

Also, I have never had anyone who could provide an answer to how an employed person, in a position to negotiate a salary and be more discerning, is MORE attractive to a prospective employer than someone who is not?
You weren't applying for a very good company, apparently. Every job I've applied for has been very understanding about me needing to give 4 weeks notice. In fact, they saw it as a positive, that I had the decency to do such a thing. I had one that said I was tied with another candidate but because they could start sooner, they were offered the job. But they also told me to stay in touch...wasn't meant to be but kept a window open for myself. Your ONE bad experience should not lend advice to future job seekers that quitting first is better. In this economy, it would just be stupid. Why run down your savings when you could continue to work and find new employment, even if it takes slightly longer because you DO need to give notice and can't start immediately.

It's not that being able to negotiate is advantageous to the employer, but to the job searcher. If, as an applicant, I have some leverage, I could get better pay than if I was unemployed and not really in a position to negotiate. Aside from the other point (more recent job experience), ability to negotiate is beneficial to the applicant and tends to only happen when you're already currently employed. I don't think anyone would argue that negotiation benefits the employer.
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