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Old 07-17-2012, 05:58 PM
 
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Old 07-17-2012, 06:06 PM
 
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So, basically, its a very, very, very hard time to be looking and its a very frustrating issue. The question is, do you spend 12 hours a day on City Data responding to every emplyment post with the same tired old, worn out, complaining, whining, moaning about the man beating you down and not getting anywhere cause its everyones elses fault? OR, do you lift youtr head up, push asde those fools, maintain a positive attitude in the face of adversity, and get that elusive phone call that could be yopur next job invite because you are strong AND MATURE enough to not give up?
Well, since web browsers can multi-task, one can both search job websites and keep an eye on City-data. Technology is grand!

Since we're back to the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" theory of life, what solution do you have for there being at least 4.5 people out of work per job posted? No matter how you shuffle the musical chairs or "be all that you can be," you are still left with at least 3 people out of work - more once all the fake "job" postings are removed That's still 3 people who, no matter their skills, will remain unemployed. And let's not kid ourselves about who often gets the jobs - connections beats skill any day of the weak.

The same idea applies to "no unemployed need apply." They don't care how mature, strong, skilled, and macho-American you are - you won't get past the automated hiring process because you're out of work.

Now, I'm not saying "give up," but the system needs to change, and it helps to realize that many people come here to vent AFTER they've tried everything that is supposed to work... that's why they are venting and why they have so many wretched stories to share. If they are beaten down, it is because they did everything they could... oh, sure, they can keep trying, but beyond a certain point it is obvious the game is rigged.
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Old 07-17-2012, 06:11 PM
 
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We need two things,

1)To get manufacturing back on American soil, and to have small farms vs. agribusiness and just a few big companies running what they call farms. Also, a lot of our agriculture is outsourced, too.

2) Population control. That means not taking any more people in, and that's not PC, but when you're sinking, you have to save your own first. It's not a slam against any foreigners. It's about making sure you can sustain your own citizens first.
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Old 07-17-2012, 07:04 PM
 
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To be blunt?
Yes, it is that hard to get a phone call.

Lets put aside the sour-puss, the world is all ahgainst me, nonsense some throw out to mask their failure in life and not being able to get or hold a job. What is going on?

Years ago, a company post a job, they had a hundred or so applicants applying. NOW, they can have thousands applying. Just on that alone, your odds are drastically reduced from what most people assumed would be a normal hiring process.

next, you are in competition with many similarly situated (education and expereince) applicants in numbers we have not seen in a long time. So as the number of jobs go down the number of qualified applicats seeking open positions goes up.

Add to all this is that there are many current employed who did not loose their jobs but found themself now with wage freezes, cutback or increased work loads. They are looking and are also in competition for that job.

We all have seen the overqualifed person willing to compromise and now take that lesser position so they are earning wages. They add to the number of applicants and competition.

You have a large number of militray that are facing forced reductions and are now being basically laid off from the military. they are seeking jobs and some companies give preferances so not only are you in competetion with your skilled equals, but also in competetion with a national desire to employ those who served by giving them a chance even if more qualified by education and expereince candidates exist.

Companies are also discovering that their employees WILL work harder and longer and faster and better and more efficient, and not complain so long as they are working. The need to have 100 people has been reduced to maybe 90 thus eleiminating 10 jobs and sending 10 people searching for jobs and 10 less jobs for the 10 that were cut from another company on tiop of these 10 and the 10 from the company that just realized they can increase productivity while reducing head count and their employees will do it.

So, basically, its a very, very, very hard time to be looking and its a very frustrating issue. The question is, do you spend 12 hours a day on City Data responding to every emplyment post with the same tired old, worn out, complaining, whining, moaning about the man beating you down and not getting anywhere cause its everyones elses fault? OR, do you lift youtr head up, push asde those fools, maintain a positive attitude in the face of adversity, and get that elusive phone call that could be yopur next job invite because you are strong AND MATURE enough to not give up?
Don't worry about me trying hard. I already have a job I work hard at each day. I also work very hard at getting a different job and I never give up. I'm just surprised at the lack of reponse I've been getting so I'm checking with people to see if they experience the same thing.
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Old 07-17-2012, 07:19 PM
 
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When I have looked for a job in the past few years, it seemed like my success ratio was around 50:1. So for every 50 jobs I applied for, I'd get about 1 response. My current qualifications are that I have a bachelor's from a top 25 university and four years post-college job experience (eight total) to give you a point of reference.

It's tough, but keep at it. Something will pan out eventually.

And FYI, you aren't going to get much sympathy or compassion from the members on this forum. What you will get is plenty of cynicism and a lot of criticism. Just a heads up so you don't drive yourself crazy trying to respond to those types of posters. Take care!
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Old 07-17-2012, 07:27 PM
 
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And FYI, you aren't going to get much sympathy or compassion from the members on this forum. What you will get is plenty of cynicism and a lot of criticism. Just a heads up so you don't drive yourself crazy trying to respond to those types of posters. Take care!
Tell me about it! It takes an empty soul to sit around blasting the less fortunate on the internet... lots of courage and compassion there! And then these cheap, snarky skinflints probably wonder why the nation is in so much trouble... after all, they're hating the right people, right?
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Old 07-17-2012, 07:43 PM
 
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And FYI, you aren't going to get much sympathy or compassion from the members on this forum. What you will get is plenty of cynicism and a lot of criticism. Just a heads up so you don't drive yourself crazy trying to respond to those types of posters. Take care!
They will get support and compassion and more from me, because I won't kick someone when they are down. I believe people are posting because they are trying very hard and there aren't many jobs out there. I've seen a lot of great posts.
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Old 07-17-2012, 08:28 PM
 
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They will get support and compassion and more from me, because I won't kick someone when they are down. I believe people are posting because they are trying very hard and there aren't many jobs out there. I've seen a lot of great posts.
Agreed.

I don't kick a person that's down.

But I'll be glad to kick someone who comes across as high and mighty and is outright apathetic and passive-aggressive to the plight those are facing on here, and then try to foolishly equate their life with the situation of someone down on their luck.
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Old 07-17-2012, 09:10 PM
 
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They will get support and compassion and more from me, because I won't kick someone when they are down.
There's a thin line between "supportive" posts and posts that draw on more negativity and cynicism which only add to the OP's feelings of despair and damnation. I think we both bore witness to that the other day with the poster redroses. S/he claimed to have felt suicidal after reading all the doom and gloom on forums like this. So people need to realize that sometimes their "supportive" posts are not doing much in the way of helping someone feel better about their situation. That's all I'm saying. If you really want to help someone out on this forum, offer them something substantive rather than just reaffirming their feelings of helplessness. They often say that the first rule to defeating cancer is having an optimistic outlook on your situation; that not only CAN you get out of your situation on top, you ARE going to get out of your situation on top.

And as for the posters that are outright rude and inconsiderate of the OP's vulnerable situation, I think Rambler nailed it in his/her post #16. It takes a bumbling idiot with no people skills or a soulless individual to pounce on someone in genuine need of support or guidance.

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Old 07-17-2012, 09:28 PM
 
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Agreed.

I don't kick a person that's down.

But I'll be glad to kick someone who comes across as high and mighty and is outright apathetic and passive-aggressive to the plight those are facing on here, and then try to foolishly equate their life with the situation of someone down on their luck.

I agree. There is a lot of arrogance about jobs now. I feel very much like you do.
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