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Old 08-07-2012, 07:40 PM
 
Location: USA
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True. I still recall years ago trying hard not to chuckle at a 20 something girl who was interviewing with me and a few others at my second job after college. She came in so overexposed , low cut blouse plus ultra short skirt, I really wanted to ask if she meant to apply at a strip club that happened to be 1/2 mile away. No, from that second on, she had no shot, so all 3 of us interviewing her , cut it shorter than normal. We had her out the door within an hour, and the rejection letter was sent not long after that.

I am often acerbic at work, and jokingly told one of the others interviewing her, when he asked "is that her..seeing her attire", "Yes, and should she sneeze, we'll all know each other even more".

Hahaha... okay, that's a funny one!

That being said, I think that woman ended up in HR at a place I applied to a while back... she was clueless, dressed as you described (and was in the right age bracket), and was the one who skipped out on 2 phone interviews and "forgot" to give me the application for the job before I got to the onsite interview... Unfortunately, that place clearly had a "form over function" view of the world... which should scare you since they were a medical engineering company... and they are still in business...
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Old 08-07-2012, 07:47 PM
 
Location: NJ
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. Unfortunately, that place clearly had a "form over function" view of the world... which should scare you since they were a medical engineering company... and they are still in business...
Not surprising. The only place I ever worked which was over the top unprofessional made medical devices, was gigantic worldwide, and several departments had the atmostphere of frat houses. My present employer would properly have fired 10% of those who attended our Christmas party at the medical equipment mfg one year.
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Old 08-07-2012, 07:49 PM
 
Location: California
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Here's the thing.

For every applicant who does screw up, there are hundreds of others who do all of the supossed "right" things when applying for jobs and still have nothing to show for it at the end of the day.

So the OP is really just pouring salt on open wounds.
Yup, that was my whole goal. Please continue to ignore the solid advice on what not to do. (Sarcasm still free)
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Old 08-07-2012, 07:51 PM
 
Location: California
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Yeah, okay... that's scary and disappointing!

Does your company have an automated resume filtering system, or do you get the resumes first? I'm just wondering if this is mostly a case of a frightening number of applicants who have no clue what they are doing or if it also includes bizzare interactions with the resume filters that are allowing these people to get through? Most everything you list can't be catched by a resume filter, which is part of why I ask. I guess there's no way to filter out people who lack common sense... Hmmmm...
We do not use any sort of filtering system as healthcare is really in demand and we don't want to filter a otherwise viable candidate.

And you are correct that no filter would catch this stuff.
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Old 08-07-2012, 08:00 PM
 
Location: USA
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bobtn: Wow... that old employer of yours sounds like where I used to work, except in a different industry. Are they still in business, or did their idiocy finally catch up with them?

TheBunny: Glad you don't use a filter since, as you said, a lot of viable candidates can be filtered out. Of course, filters can't prevent stupid! I hope you're able to find a good candidate and that he or she would benefit from the job.
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Old 08-07-2012, 08:05 PM
 
Location: California
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I am too. Although, on days like this I feel like I AM the filter, LOL.
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Old 08-07-2012, 08:05 PM
 
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bobtn: Wow... that old employer of yours sounds like where I used to work, except in a different industry. Are they still in business, or did their idiocy finally catch up with them?

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They will be in business for decades to come. They do make superb products, and they did move the corp hq, but it's the same cast of execs mostly.
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Old 08-07-2012, 09:48 PM
 
Location: California
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They will be in business for decades to come. They do make superb products, and they did move the corp hq, but it's the same cast of execs mostly.
LOL...I have been amazed at some of the things that happen at work events. And sometimes amazed that people are still employed after some of it.
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Old 08-08-2012, 07:15 AM
 
Location: NC
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Ahhh HR.... People need to remember that the primary goal of HR is to protect management, not the employee.

These are doctors applying for positions or medical office staff etc? Awesome.

Do you have any expertise in the medical field or just generalist HR experience? Sometimes it helps to have experience in the field.

Where are you getting the applicants from? Craigslist or something?
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Old 08-08-2012, 08:14 AM
 
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I know people on here are always complaining about the HR people, how terrible we are and how it is supposedly our job to make sure that no one ever gets hired.

For some reason, application after application has been crossing my desk with the same glaring issues, so partly to vent (although I doubt I will get any sympathy) and partly as information to people who are job hunting, here are some "what not to do's" that I have encountered.

1. If you have a phone number listed on your resume or application, make sure it works. Numerous people in the last few days have turned in applications with disconnected numbers. "This number can not accept your call at this time" is NOT code for the person is busy. It IS code for the person has either not paid their bill or had run out of minutes for the month. Please, make sure you include a working number.
Agreed. We run into this fairly regularly. Put a secondary number on the application or resume with "(will accept messages)" noted next to it.

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2. Current means in the last decade. Actually, it means in the last 5 years. It does not mean from the early 80's. One of my applicants gave me the information for a lovely woman who remembered her fondly. From 1982. This does not help me.
That's funny. Better yet the references with a name and nothing more. no phone, no address, nothing. Um yeah, I'm Karnac.

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3. Keep in contact with your references. If they ask "who" when I call or are not able to remember when they worked with you, it leaves me some doubt as to the reliability of their reference. Especially as I am going to have to submit this reference either to the client or to my boss at some point.

4. Give correct info for the reference. This goes back to keeping in contact with them. If they are no longer in a location, I should not be discovering this when I call them. It annoys me and makes it clear that you are not giving references of people who are still a part of your professional life.
We've run into references that don't know/remember the person. Anyone remember the guy who posted here a few months ago about using the train conductor he had met on the way to the interview as a reference?

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5. Have a professional email. I am not, no matter how great you are, going to submit someone with the email "Ipartyalot@gmail.com" No, this is not the real email I got, so if this goes to someone in real life, I have no idea. But the message on why I am not telling my boss this person is great should be clear.
This is so true. And don't think that employers don't understand "yo420yo@gmail.com."

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6. Pay attention to the job requirements. If the job says "Must be willing to travel" or in our case has "Travel" in the title, please do not apply if you are willing to go no farther than 5 miles from your home.
And don't think employers are going to be so wowed by your resume that they'll make an exception and alter the job duties just for you because you're so special.

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7. If you were terminated from your last job, no matter how great you think the reference will be, do not give the person as a reference if they were your boss or the person who terminated you. Find someone else. When the answer to "Why did this person leave your employ" is "I terminated them" then this is NOT a good reference, no matter the great things they have said about you, as they TERMINATED you.
This one is tricky. If you were RIF'ed and have a good relationship with that manager it's fine to use them. I was RIF'ed from my last job after the company relocated my position and I didn't want to move. My former manager wrote a glowing letter of reference as well as gave a glowing verbal reference over the phone. If you were a slacker who never showed for work until noon on Monday, find a different reference.
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