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Old 08-23-2012, 09:25 AM
 
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I quote the OP's post below, bolding is mine.


I was responding to the notion that you will get away with it simply because the employer is out of business. This is what the poster I referenced believed. He was nailed. It's not something you'll get caught on every time, I'm sure. The trouble is you're not safe simply because you got the job. It could be discovered, perhaps inadvertently, at any time during your employment and justify your termination. If a poster like Mystique13 wants to downplay that risk, that's fine. I'm simply stating that it is a real risk and carries serious consequences.
Exactly. What happens when the guy who fixes the photocopier comes in and recognizes you and let's the cat slip?
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Old 08-23-2012, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Petticoat Junction
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Ive said it before, but the great thing about telling the truth is that you don't have to remember what you said the last time.
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Old 08-29-2012, 06:19 PM
 
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Hello, I was wondering about this topic lately because of the tough job market and economy. I've mainly been truthful about my skills and work history and most of the time I've been screwed up the know what. I want to start telling lies on my resume and interview because I feel that is the best way to get a job offer rather than to tell the truth and get screwed over. I want to put a company that is out of business on my resume and hopefully receive some phone calls/emails from employers/recruiters; they cannot contact the employer because they out of business. I know for a fact that A LOT of people lie on their resume and in interviews and most get away with it!!! I understand that some people will say that don't lie because it will come back to haunt you well I say so what??? Telling that lie got you the interview and the job offer. There are Fortune 500 company CEO's that have lied for example the former Yahoo CEO who lied about his computer science degree and even though he got fired he still got over 5 million dollars in pay!!!

What do you guys think about this? Have you done it? and if so what was the result?

Anything helps guys because I do read all of your post and respond accordingly.

Thanks in advance
on a Resume, no, it can come back to haunt me, as for interview, maybe, you want to tell them what they want to hear
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Old 08-30-2012, 12:23 AM
 
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In order to survive, you need food and shelter.

In order to gain food and shelter, you need money.

In order to gain money, you must have a job or receive government assistance.

In order to survive, people will do whatever it takes to survive. As the saying goes, when people have nothing to lose they lose it. These older folks you see robbing gas stations and convenience stores just so they can get arrested is because society has decided that they are worthless. Yet, if they couldn't find some type of health insurance they would die as they didn't have access to the necessary care or medicine without health insurance (as it would be far too expensive for them to afford given they didn't have a job nor the employer contribution). As a result, since they figure the only way they could get the health care they need is by going to prison and since society has already deemed them as worthless, they tossed all of their morals/ethics to the wayside and did what they had to do.

Really, saying a job isn't worth anything is just dumb, no other way to put it.
Let's be frank, putting yourself in such a position where lying is your only option is dumb. Why should everyone else gain merit and earn their success with honesty while the low quality people lie their way into jobs and promotions?
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Old 08-30-2012, 12:35 AM
 
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Why should everyone else gain merit and earn their success with honesty while the low quality people lie their way into jobs and promotions?
Why should I worry about everyone else?

It's not as if everyone else worries about me.

I'm going to do whatever it takes to look out for my well being first and foremost, provided I don't lose money or land in jail in the process. Sorry.

I personally have been burned too many times "doing the right thing by others."

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Old 08-30-2012, 01:36 AM
 
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Why should I worry about everyone else?

It's not as if everyone else worries about me.

I'm going to do whatever it takes to look out for my well being first and foremost, provided I don't lose money or land in jail in the process. Sorry.

I personally have been burned too many times "doing the right thing by others."
I totally agree; in the end you must worry about yourself and not anyone else. I've been burned also many times and they expect us to be honest? No way. As long as one can backup their lie than it should be good.

I'm not advising people to lie about being a heart surgeon when they are not but it's more of just things that you can get away with. Most of the time a job can be taught to almost anyone because it gets repetitive over the course of say 3 months. Employers already assume that your going to lie because of the interviews/interrogations, background checks, reference checks, education, etc.
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Old 08-30-2012, 02:01 AM
 
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I totally agree; in the end you must worry about yourself and not anyone else. I've been burned also many times and they expect us to be honest? No way. As long as one can backup their lie than it should be good.

I'm not advising people to lie about being a heart surgeon when they are not but it's more of just things that you can get away with. Most of the time a job can be taught to almost anyone because it gets repetitive over the course of say 3 months. Employers already assume that your going to lie because of the interviews/interrogations, background checks, reference checks, education, etc.
Where do you get the idea that employers expect you to lie? It seems like you are trying to look for ways to justify this. The bottom line with me is that, if you're lying to qualify yourself, you're not meant to have the job in the first place. It's not about being "burned" and all this. Many people have been screwed over before. Nobody is in a position where they have to lie to get an interview. There are jobs out there that you can do. If you think you need to lie to be considered then you are applying for the wrong kinds of jobs.
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Old 08-30-2012, 05:20 AM
 
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Lying can hurt your career forever if you are found out.

Not worth it, at all.
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Old 08-30-2012, 06:45 AM
 
Location: St Thomas, US Virgin Islands
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If all you have to offer in the way of a reference is a company which is out of business it's highly unlikely your application will even make the first cut and will be dumped in "File 13" immediately. Knock your socks off ...
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Old 08-30-2012, 07:51 AM
 
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I totally agree; in the end you must worry about yourself and not anyone else. I've been burned also many times and they expect us to be honest? No way. As long as one can backup their lie than it should be good.

I'm not advising people to lie about being a heart surgeon when they are not but it's more of just things that you can get away with. Most of the time a job can be taught to almost anyone because it gets repetitive over the course of say 3 months. Employers already assume that your going to lie because of the interviews/interrogations, background checks, reference checks, education, etc.
Agreed.

You only stretch the truth when you can get away with it, and use it as a last resort.

In a perfect world, everyone would be honest with each other and treat everyone else with respect.

Too bad we don't live in a perfect world.
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