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Old 08-31-2012, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Petticoat Junction
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The game has changed in the past few years. Even now, as someone not too far from retirement from a current position who will likely be looking for her next career in a year or so, I can see that what is considered an acceptable form of resume is very different from what it used to be.

But some things don't change. You still have to present well, and that means dressing appropriately. You still should know something about the company for which you are interviewing. You still have to make it your main goal in the interview to make them see what value you bring to THEM, not what's in it for you. You still don't put down previous employers/bosses. You still don't ask about money or benefits on the first interview. You still come up with an intelligent question in advance so that when they say, "do you have any questions", you can sound intelligent. You still do whatever you can not to pizz off or annoy the reception/admin assistant, because that alone can be your death knell.

Those things do not change.
What has changed is back then we didn't have the Internet to sit in front of all day and post constant complaints about the employment situation. Can't say that's an improvement, either.
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Old 08-31-2012, 02:41 PM
 
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What is wrong now is we BEAT UP the unemployed and say THEY SUCK when the reality is there are very few jobs compared to those who want or need one.

Unless you live under a rock you know to shower, shave, cut your hair, clean your teeth and present yourself as candidate.

You need to show you are going to be an asset and can help solve a problem or problems at a company not demand what they can do for you.

Meanwhile the companies are suspicious and accusatory if you have a gap in your resume. They refuse to hire good people because they are unemployed.

Good workers get fired or laid off sometimes.
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Old 08-31-2012, 02:48 PM
 
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What is wrong now is we BEAT UP the unemployed and say THEY SUCK when the reality is there are very few jobs compared to those who want or need one.

Unless you live under a rock you know to shower, shave, cut your hair, clean your teeth and present yourself as candidate.

You need to show you are going to be an asset and can help solve a problem or problems at a company not demand what they can do for you.

Meanwhile the companies are suspicious and accusatory if you have a gap in your resume. They refuse to hire good people because they are unemployed.

Good workers get fired or laid off sometimes.
Perfectly said.
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Old 08-31-2012, 02:55 PM
 
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I see it with my husband. He is a great worker, and would be an asset to anyone who hired him.
At his last job, he worked with nut cases who micromanaged and used punitive techniques to control their employees.

We moved to this ****** no where town for the job and he was fired after 8 months of being stressed out, working his best, and getting verbally beaten up every day!

His self esteem is at a low and he has not gotten many calls back because of the economic situation and the fact their is a serious bias against unemployed people over a certain age.

If you are going to interview somewhere, find reviews of the company. Just because they have jobs open doesn't mean they are stellar places to work.

It goes both ways. Why are psychos put in charge of people when they have ZERO management skills?
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Old 08-31-2012, 02:59 PM
 
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Don't forget that now you have to apply for EVERYTHING online except for Mom and Pop stores (if you can find any hiring). So your resume and cover letter go into the blackhole of death.

Experts on City Data say walk in your resume or use Linkin but all these do is lead you back to the website.

But let's BLAME the job seeker. He or she just wants money to live and pay the bills.

How presumptuous to expect this from life and society.

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Old 08-31-2012, 05:14 PM
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Location: Tall Building down by the river
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Don't forget that now you have to apply for EVERYTHING online except for Mom and Pop stores (if you can find any hiring). So your resume and cover letter go into the blackhole of death.

Experts on City Data say walk in your resume or use Linkin but all these do is lead you back to the website.

But let's BLAME the job seeker. He or she just wants money to live and pay the bills.

How presumptuous to expect this from life and society.


I always recommended applying to jobs that allows you to send someone a direct email with your resume as an attachment
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Old 08-31-2012, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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What is wrong now is we BEAT UP the unemployed and say THEY SUCK when the reality is there are very few jobs compared to those who want or need one.

Unless you live under a rock you know to shower, shave, cut your hair, clean your teeth and present yourself as candidate.

You need to show you are going to be an asset and can help solve a problem or problems at a company not demand what they can do for you.

Meanwhile the companies are suspicious and accusatory if you have a gap in your resume. They refuse to hire good people because they are unemployed.

Good workers get fired or laid off sometimes.
That's a different story. That's just plain wrong--I know way too many qualified people, and I'm not at the age that I'm talking about recent college graduates, but middle-aged people who had good jobs and lost them since the economy took this nosedive and can't find another one. Or found one but are doing things unrelated to their expertise.

But still, you'd be surprised at how many people out there apparently still do not know how to present themselves as candidates. I know one man, age 57, who has been getting interviews. He does a certain type of sales, and apparently is good at it, but when you converse with him, he's just inept and annoying. Doesn't know when to shut up and listen and let the other person talk, etc. He's not autistic or anything, just self-centered and convinced that he's the greatest thing. I suspect his feelings of self-importance are shooting him in the foot when he interviews, especially if he gives the impression that he thinks the interviewer is an idiot.
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Old 08-31-2012, 11:06 PM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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I see it with my husband. He is a great worker, and would be an asset to anyone who hired him.
At his last job, he worked with nut cases who micromanaged and used punitive techniques to control their employees.

We moved to this ****** no where town for the job and he was fired after 8 months of being stressed out, working his best, and getting verbally beaten up every day!

His self esteem is at a low and he has not gotten many calls back because of the economic situation and the fact their is a serious bias against unemployed people over a certain age.

If you are going to interview somewhere, find reviews of the company. Just because they have jobs open doesn't mean they are stellar places to work.

It goes both ways. Why are psychos put in charge of people when they have ZERO management skills?
Well, that's one of life's great mysteries, but in my observation, it often happens that the psychos get there because their previous bosses recommended them for promotion to get them the hell out of their own department.
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Old 08-31-2012, 11:12 PM
 
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Why are psychos put in charge of people when they have ZERO management skills?
Look up Anti-Social Personality Disorder (Sociopathy/Psychopathy).

Psychos use false charm in order to access certain positions that will benefit them most (basically, toy with people's emotions and use them as pawns, lie). However, once they achieve their goal, they will backstab and steam roll over every single person they deem irrelevant, or anyone they can't use to achieve their goal.

I think most employers have ASPD in fact.

But you can't really live without them. The best way to conquer Psychopaths/Sociopaths is essentially let them have their way when you must deal with them (be a "yes" person, tell them what they want to hear, etc.), but otherwise avoid them at all costs. You'll never win when trying to confront them about their Sociopathy/Psychopathy.
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Old 09-01-2012, 04:28 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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I always recommended applying to jobs that allows you to send someone a direct email with your resume as an attachment

How is that working out for YOU?
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