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Like I said, there's something wrong with a company's hiring process if, out of 15 to 25 million unemployed people they can't attract many people who can pass these tests.
Nah man. Some people are just dumb. If this was happening with people applying to walmart, I could understand. But this is applying for healthcare jobs. You don't just walk in off the street and say hey I guess I'll do this.
Like I said, there's something wrong with a company's hiring process if, out of 15 to 25 million unemployed people they can't attract many people who can pass these tests.
There is nothing wrong with the process of the company there is everything wrong with people using illegal drugs. It isn't the companies fault these people are not passing the drug tests it is their own fault for voluntarily using drugs and continueing to use them even though it is not a big news flash that companies do drug testing. I have never failed a drug test in my life but I don't worry about those things and I will take a drug test at any moment with no notice because I know for a fact I will NOT fail.
Thanks for the validation people; I was wondering if I was just on a different planet.
To answer the one question, we are all over NJ, in both urban and suburban areas. When I talked to HR, they said that geographically, the only trend they've noticed is that most of the people who test positive for marijuana live near the shore. They also clarified that it's really rare that we get people positive for amphetamines or the opiates (I had thought that was more frequent, but those are just the cases that get talked about the most). We're mostly talking marijuana.
Frankly (and I don't speak for my company here) I really would not care if a person was an occasional user of marijuana. If it doesn't happen on the job, or affect the job, I don't care.
To me though, it's more about the judgment of a person who goes through the whole hiring process and tests positive, when they know they are going to. That kind of judgment has to bleed over into other areas of life, like decision making on the job, involving the safety of disabled people. If a person liked to smoke pot occasionally, and they refrained for about a month, tested negative, got hired, and went on to do a fair-to-good job, while maybe smoking pot once in a while at home, then I would personally be okay with that. It's just that to test positive and have to be escorted out of orientation, takes an extremely poor level of judgment.
So from my point of view, we're really not testing to weed out addicts, but just people with grossly impaired judgment.
I truly believe having worked in that industry the reason why you are getting people that fail the drug test is two fold
1. The industry of social work pays low so you tend to attract people that really like to help others and younger people that can live on lower wages.
2. Social work is extremely high stress depending on the type of social work you are doing.
As I believe you mentioned marijuana stays in someone's system longer than any other drug, even longer if you are overweight. As you mentioned you are not getting people busted on a drug test for meth or speed because that lives there body in a couple of days.
I don't blame you or your company, it's the low pay high stress environment which makes the conditions possible to happen.
I think if you look at it logically you would find a lot of prison guards don't get busted doing drugs because their jobs pay well. Both jobs are high stress yet one pays well and the other does not. They attract better candidates because of the $$$.
Interesting. Thanks, for the question. Addicts would likely be using drugs with shorter detection periods or find an alternative for which most people don't test. With cannabis you are even dealing with a physically addicting subtance. Maybe laziness, maybe wanting to stay on unemployment or just plain ole poor judgment. Only they know for sure.
The OP has absolutely reason to come here and whine about people failing drug tests.
It's par for the course when searching for candidates. People will always be people. You can't change them, you can only put enough proceses in place to idiot-proof their actions as much as possible.
You either deal with it (don't come to a public forum to complain about it, just start the entire process over again) or find some way to improve your hiring process to weed out drug users and attract non-drug users before they reach the expensive drug testing stage.
I think I specifically said that I don't see all the unemployed as being in this category. You seem very defensive.
Whenever the concept of "personal responsibility" looms, it tends to bring this attitude out from our good buddy Weather. You just have to factor that in.
The OP has absolutely reason to come here and whine about people failing drug tests.
It's par for the course when searching for candidates. People will always be people. You can't change them, you can only put enough proceses in place to idiot-proof their actions as much as possible.
You either deal with it (don't come to a public forum to complain about it, just start the entire process over again) or find some way to improve your hiring process to weed out drug users and attract non-drug users before they reach the expensive drug testing stage.
Does that mean that the unemployed should also not come here and whine about employers not hiring them?
This thread isn't about employees whining. Try keeping up with the topic.
No one is whining. Except, perhaps, for you.
I find the OP to pose a great point. You know you are going to get tested - is it really beyond you to lay off the MJ for a few weeks? I do wonder exactly what is going through their head.
Did they never expect to get an offer?
Do they actually prefer to stay unemployed?
Are they just plain stupid?
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