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Old 06-18-2013, 02:17 PM
 
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if the reports are handwritten, sure.
It's 2013, I highly doubt legible handwriting of any sort beyond a signature is a job requirement.
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Old 06-18-2013, 02:38 PM
 
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That's my point!
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Old 06-18-2013, 03:00 PM
 
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That's my point!
Yes, and I have always agreed. Testing based on neatly completing a handwritten application is worse than useless, it can disqualify intelligent, well qualified candidates. Many candidates under 40 haven't written more than their name and address by hand since high school, and might have difficulty neatly handwriting numerous paragraphs about 10 years of job history in a form, while under the stress of waiting for a job interview, most likely for a job that never requires writing anything by hand. They may be very proficient typists, and very capable of typing any needed document, but that's not what is being tested here.

Judging by the tone of the OP, this HR dept. is only looking for congratulations on how intelligent they are with their new system and what morons applicants are. The only post that the OP showed any interest in was the one attempting to justify this ridiculous process.

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Old 06-18-2013, 03:40 PM
 
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Judging by the tone of the OP, this HR dept. is only looking for congratulations on how intelligent they are with their new system and what morons applicants are. The only post that the OP showed any interest in was the one attempting to justify this ridiculous process.
yep, that's certainly very telling.

it's kind of sad how polarized this forum can get - so many people acting as if all jobseekers are scum and just as many acting as if all hr people/hiring managers are scum. it'd be cool if people could have some empathy for each other.
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Old 06-18-2013, 04:28 PM
 
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yep, that's certainly very telling.

it's kind of sad how polarized this forum can get - so many people acting as if all jobseekers are scum and just as many acting as if all hr people/hiring managers are scum. it'd be cool if people could have some empathy for each other.
I have empathy but the issue is that we only see the extremists. We don't see HR people on here that agree that processes are broken and rather say the emperor's clothes are nice (mean while he is naked.) On the otherhand, the unemployed are tired of going through hoops and jumps, making over 200 applications only to wind up with nothing to show for it but grey hair and stress for our troubles.
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Old 06-18-2013, 04:33 PM
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There are surprisingly few good human resource departments. Ones that treat the employees as resources and whose main objective is to ensure the employees come back to work the next day. To handle the administration requirements for the employees and to be as helpful as they can be to the employees. No, mostly they are full of egotistical, low skill level employees whose inflated self worth is a detriment to the company as they contribute nothing to the company's bottom line yet can be a roadblock to those that do.
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Old 06-19-2013, 03:32 AM
 
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Since I wrote this original posting I truly understand now why employers have so much trouble with job applicants, LOL!

Just yesterday we handed an employment application to a candidate and he looked at it and wrote across it in big letters SEE RESUME and not another word other than his signature. Maybe he was one of the City Data posters on this thread!

So what if we emailed the application to the applicant for the ones who can't use basic handwriting well enough to understand what they are writing? They can type it all out using the fill (type) in the box option.

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Yes, and I have always agreed. Testing based on neatly completing a handwritten application is worse than useless, it can disqualify intelligent, well qualified candidates. Many candidates under 40 haven't written more than their name and address by hand since high school, and might have difficulty neatly handwriting numerous paragraphs about 10 years of job history in a form, while under the stress of waiting for a job interview, most likely for a job that never requires writing anything by hand. They may be very proficient typists, and very capable of typing any needed document, but that's not what is being tested here.

Judging by the tone of the OP, this HR dept. is only looking for congratulations on how intelligent they are with their new system and what morons applicants are. The only post that the OP showed any interest in was the one attempting to justify this ridiculous process.
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Old 06-19-2013, 05:40 AM
 
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Since I wrote this original posting I truly understand now why employers have so much trouble with job applicants, LOL!

Just yesterday we handed an employment application to a candidate and he looked at it and wrote across it in big letters SEE RESUME and not another word other than his signature. Maybe he was one of the City Data posters on this thread!

So what if we emailed the application to the applicant for the ones who can't use basic handwriting well enough to understand what they are writing? They can type it all out using the fill (type) in the box option.
You just proved detshen's point about how the position is the give HR a self-pat on the back and then complain about the lack of talent in the applicant pool. Congratulations.

On a serious note, you posted on here. Not everyone on C-D is in the boat of applauding a system that weeds out people in ways that do not add the position. Only one poster did and they were out of base on some fronts. Many of those looking for work do not like the arbitrary ways that applicants are weeded out, in this case there was nothing to show it was or wasn't arbitrary to have an application that you give to interviewees 30 minutes before their scheduled interview.
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Old 06-19-2013, 05:48 AM
 
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Just yesterday we handed an employment application to a candidate and he looked at it and wrote across it in big letters SEE RESUME and not another word other than his signature. Maybe he was one of the City Data posters on this thread!
that guy saved himself about 19 1/2 minutes by not wasting his time writing out information by hand that you already had. that's efficiency! why would you want employees who engage in pointless redundancy without thinking about a better way to do things?
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Old 06-19-2013, 06:37 AM
 
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that guy saved himself about 19 1/2 minutes by not wasting his time writing out information by hand that you already had. that's efficiency! why would you want employees who engage in pointless redundancy without thinking about a better way to do things?
Not true because the employment application asks for lots of information that was not on his resume, including:

The address and telephone numbers of his employers so we can verify employment

A listing of his three professional references

A list of his colleges and dates of attendance and more specific information about his degree
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A release that indicates we can contact his references

A release so the background investigation can start (we use a service that checks people's background against the information on the application not their resume)

Answers to a number of job specific questions related to their potential employment.
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This information was not explained or clearly indicated in his resume.

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