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Old 06-18-2013, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Western Washington
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Under what conditions should someone take a counteroffer?

To clarify-- the out of town job I accepted has a 16k raise. The position at my current organization in a different department is the exact same pay I have now.
So why on earth would you ever consider accepting your current company's offer? A counteroffer with no increase in pay? Simply a transfer to another department? That is not a counteroffer.

Take the money at the new place, even if it is in a higher cost of living area. At least your 401k match will be on a larger basis.
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Old 06-18-2013, 08:03 PM
 
Location: In the city
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So why on earth would you ever consider accepting your current company's offer? A counteroffer with no increase in pay? Simply a transfer to another department? That is not a counteroffer.

Take the money at the new place, even if it is in a higher cost of living area. At least your 401k match will be on a larger basis.
I work for the federal government and we are GS employees. Moving to another department would not necessarily increase your pay in any circumstance. That was my beef-- six months ago when I applied for the job in another dept at my current org, I just wanted out of the cesspool I am in. And I would have jumped at the chance for the same pay. I didn't care. My department is the most dysfunctional in the building.

Now my expectations are different. I started applying aggressively in April. I have had two job offers come in with other Agencies, both promotions, both with higher pay, and accepted one. When I made my decision, I started to make other moving preparations.

Why do organizations even bother with counter offers? I have never bluffed. If I give notice, its because I fully intend to go.
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Old 06-18-2013, 08:59 PM
 
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Most people who take counter offers end up leaving within so many months anyways.

For 16 grand more a year I'd leave. No guarantee you'll be happy in another department at the same place.
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Old 06-18-2013, 09:11 PM
 
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I agree with everyone that said they would take the new job, plus you already accepted the new job so probably another reason to stick to the current plan.
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Old 06-18-2013, 09:23 PM
 
Location: NJ
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why the hell would you stay?
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Old 06-18-2013, 09:52 PM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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I agree with this advice. Once you have given notice, you have "severed the ties". You must leave your current firm. Once you leave, you can come back in the future if things change for the better (just don't burn your bridges when you leave and maintain good relations with the management). Never accept a counteroffer, it is career suicide.

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Leave. Never accept a counteroffer.
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Old 06-18-2013, 11:20 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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They didn't think enough of your needs before you put in your notice to work with you, so why would you think enough of them to consider the counter offer ? Besides you gave your promise to the new employer to accept that position so it would be bad form for you to back out now. You would be a fool to stay.

Something else I have found over the years is that once you are mentally gone from a job you are gone and there is no going back. They would also never quite trust you again, they simply are looking out for their immediate, short term needs and do not want to have any disruptions now. But you can bet your bottom dollar a year or two down the road they will be treating you the same way again, and you will have burned your bridges to the other position.

Enjoy your new home and new job.

Don
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Old 06-19-2013, 03:20 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn,NY
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Usually once you give notice its never the same. In many cases you will now be out of your position once you retract a resignation in lieu of a counteroffer. Your loyalty is now doubtful and employers can be spiteful if they had to spend anything to keep you. Its about the bottom line the vast majority of the time.

People move on in life from jobs. Its the natural order of things to better yourself. Thank them for the good years, be professional and enjoy the new position.

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Old 06-19-2013, 05:13 AM
 
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Are you leaving the Fed Gov completely, and walking away from a pension?

I think going to another department in the Fed Gov will be much like going to another company. They are so huge that each department could be light years from the other. You might have been in an awful department. However, the other one might be awful or might be better. Just like the new job you accepted....it might be great and it might be awful.

So, tell us about what you love about the city you are leaving...and what you think you will like/dislike about the new city you are moving to? Do you have to sell a home and uproot? Is there any excitement about the new city?
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Old 06-19-2013, 05:35 AM
 
Location: right here
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NEVER accept a counter offer-you are leaving for a reason-I did and I ended up quitting anyway. If you are a good employee and your work environment is that bad...doesn't matter what they throw at you-your work environment will still stink.

I also agree with the other poster-your loyalty will always be questioned. And if by chance they lay people off? You will be at the top.
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