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View Poll Results: Men's interview attire: suit and tie versus jacket and tie
Definitely wear the suit and tie. 21 63.64%
It doesn't matter. There isn't enough of a difference if the jacket, pants and tie are nice. 12 36.36%
Voters: 33. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-08-2013, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Western Washington
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I would say that the weather should come into play. If it is 100+ degrees out, employers should understand that it may not be appropriate for job candidates to wear full suits.
Don't care. Wear the suit.

Not wearing a suit shows that you don't really have any respect for the interview process. If you do not have respect for a process that means so much to you as an applicant, how can I expect that you will respect other business norms and processes?

Either that or it shows that the applicant is too stupid to take off the suit jacket when outside, only putting it on when you enter an air conditioned building.

Either way, it is a huge mark against an applicant.

I do have a caveat. If you are applying for an entry level retail position, as a warehouse worker, truck driver or tradesman, then a suit is not necessary. A sports jacket would be acceptable.
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Old 07-08-2013, 06:47 PM
 
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It's all relative as they say. If I were young and interviewing for retail no way am I showing up in a suit, but I am applying for white collar office so suit it is.
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Old 07-09-2013, 02:16 AM
 
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fishbrains and tpk-nyc said it best!

As an old fogey, born in the forties boomer who made her way in corp.-America after graduating in the top of her college class, more than 40 years ago..................You've got to respect the rules, yes, there are hoops to jump thru as essentially some things are a bit of a "dog & pony" show if you can relate.......e.g. : Westminster Dog Show....... .............Still, you've got to play the part and it needs rehearsing.....just as if you were part of a performance of a play, or if say your rock n roll group was playing a big city theatre or arena for the first time...... ........You must look like you know what you are doing and that means dressing the part! You must appear completely at ease and comfortable in your dress attire ( two button conservative SUIT/Silk Tie/Quality dress shoes, preferrably Black color shoes, though Cordovan and Brown are acceptable, though Black is most conservative and distinguished looking as far as Men's shoe color, VERY IMPORTANT: Belt color must be the same as shoes---NO EXCEPTIONS......shoes must be POLISHED and must be dress leather shoes with traditional leather soles.........dress as if you are going to a Military Inspection!)

YOUR SUIT SHOULD appear "PRESIDENTIAL" and not GQ, Gap, Banana Republic, or Emo Doofus!!!
See thousands of photographs of any American President since 1952 , Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, W. Bush, Obama.......and you will see that their suits are essentially the same.....................ALL ARE two button......single pleat regular Trousers (NO DOUBLE PLEATED pants) and NO DOUBLE BREASTED SUITS...............though Truman and Ike both wore double breasted suits on occasion in the late forties/early fifties.....it is not an appropriate business style UNLESS double breasted is in style, which it isn't, except Dave letterman....single breasted traditional 2-button Suit ALWAYS trumps 3-button & Double breasted!
The one thing you'll notice IS PRESIDENTIAL style is never in style as far as GQ is concerned. There is hardly ever ANY CHANGE IN APPEARANCE OF THE "Presidential" suits. LAPELS are never as Wide or as Narrow as current fashion.............see barely wider than medium for early/mid fifties IKE and NIXON/FORD/CARTER '73-'78 and slightly narrow for JFK/JOHNSON '62-'67 and the rest of the Time the Presidential LAPELS have been nearly exactly MEDIUM............
........At least ONE conservative 2-button Presidential style suit SHOULD BE OWNED BY EVERY GENTLEMAN! It Will NEVER GO OUT OF STYLE, well, lets say it will never look out of place or totally wrong, even with funky fashion changes........ Don't believe me, simply look at photos of the President since 1952.
If your suit DOES NOT LOOK LIKE SOMETHING The President has worn in the last sixty years, then find a more traditional, conservative looking Suit!
If your hair style and overall look is SOMETHING OTHER than what would be acceptable for an ABC/CBS/NBC news anchor or weekend anchor, than you NEED TO CUT your Hair!!
Exceptions would be for certain industries/and corporate cultures that are more freewheeling...
Other than that, if your hair touches your collar and is covering more than the top 1/2 inch of the top of your ears, than its time to get a shorter DO! It isn't 1978 and even a Tom Brokaw or President Carter's hair from that time, though neat and conservative, is not current for 2013 as it is too long for today, just as a crewcut in the seventies would have been a bad choice for an interview look, though very close cropped is "In" today.
Do what is necessary to land the job, then after proving your value to the company after about a year or six months.....then you can possibly become more of an individual as far as style choice goes. Until that time, approach things as if you were in the Military and follow a very strict dress code and perfect grooming standards. Look at it this way: You are being INSPECTED! Do Not Pass Inspection and Guess What? Yep, that is right, YOU GET REJECTED!!! Fair? Maybe Not, but that is the simplest way for them to select a "Suitable" candidate...........it is not too far different than how you might select, Lettuce, Bananas, Tomatos, Apples, Peaches at the grocery store. Everybody is close as far as qualifications/experience.......these other factors are generally the deciding factors upon whether you continue the process or get REJECTED immediately. Ultimately, they can't research your life story, nor do they want to hear it. They simply want somebody that means business and looks the part and hopefully can do a good job. Most HR people are not as intelligent as the people that they interview and hire for their firms. So you could say that they do follow a preset formula or system for selecting and weeding applicants and usually they will not risk deviating from the formula because if they were to stick their neck out for a candidate with unusual circumstances and that candidate washes-out, then it would reflect badly on that single HR person and can even jeopardize their upward mobility/or threaten the stability of their job. They won't deviate from usual norms because if it goes wrong, then they themselves could ultimately get canned because of it.
Don't fight city hall and don't fight the DRESS CODE NORM when seeking a job and interviewing!!!
Suit up!! Presidential style. Dress as if you were running for President, that means short hair that looks professional and is acceptable to the mass population!
No messy GQ styles that look like they were chopped with a weed wacker or anything that looks like Bieber, the early Beatles, or like it would be cool on MTV or something. If you want to enter Corp America, then you must look the part, just as you would need to look the part if you were being hired to play Bass guitar for Aerosmith. Skip these rules and they will skip past you.
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:48 AM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
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Maybe this should be moved to the fashion forum?
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Old 07-09-2013, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Don't care. Wear the suit.

Not wearing a suit shows that you don't really have any respect for the interview process. If you do not have respect for a process that means so much to you as an applicant, how can I expect that you will respect other business norms and processes?

Either that or it shows that the applicant is too stupid to take off the suit jacket when outside, only putting it on when you enter an air conditioned building.

Either way, it is a huge mark against an applicant.

I do have a caveat. If you are applying for an entry level retail position, as a warehouse worker, truck driver or tradesman, then a suit is not necessary. A sports jacket would be acceptable.
For one, the employer wants "respect" from the employee but yet you would say that it is fine for employers to make employees jump through every subjective hoop to get the job. Respect is a two-way street.

Anywho, what I am saying for the "suit issue" is say you have to take a bus or train with no or limited AC to get to the job (say it is in NYC or some major metropolitan area) and you have no place to hold the suit while not wearing it and it is the 100 degree weather. Of course if you take a car you have room to hang the sports coat on an opposite chair but it is not exactly possible on a bus or train. You have to consider why they did this. Maybe they cannot afford the gas and this was a cheaper option, maybe their car broke down, maybe they couldn't use the car that day. I wish employers would be understanding if a prospective employee did not wear a suit during summer interviews or in warmer climates.

Now would I give a job to someone in a suit over some in business casual, yes IF they were even candidates or the person in the suit was better period. However if the business casual person is better, maybe one of those reasons for not wearing a suit was the truth.
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Old 07-09-2013, 10:55 AM
 
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For one, the employer wants "respect" from the employee but yet you would say that it is fine for employers to make employees jump through every subjective hoop to get the job. Respect is a two-way street.

Anywho, what I am saying for the "suit issue" is say you have to take a bus or train with no or limited AC to get to the job (say it is in NYC or some major metropolitan area) and you have no place to hold the suit while not wearing it and it is the 100 degree weather. Of course if you take a car you have room to hang the sports coat on an opposite chair but it is not exactly possible on a bus or train. You have to consider why they did this. Maybe they cannot afford the gas and this was a cheaper option, maybe their car broke down, maybe they couldn't use the car that day. I wish employers would be understanding if a prospective employee did not wear a suit during summer interviews or in warmer climates.

Now would I give a job to someone in a suit over some in business casual, yes IF they were even candidates or the person in the suit was better period. However if the business casual person is better, maybe one of those reasons for not wearing a suit was the truth.
You can't carry your jacket with your sleeves rolled up in hot weather? I am in a major metro area and getting around in a suit in the summer has never been an issue. Carry your jacket, roll up your sleeves, spend five minutes in the building's lobby to cool down and get yourself presentable before going up to the floor you are visiting.
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Old 07-09-2013, 11:03 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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I don't know about the "respect" aspect. For me it's simply an issue of presentability and making a good first impression -- you only have one shot, why not make it a good one?
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Old 07-09-2013, 03:19 PM
 
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It doesn't matter if it is 133F or 23 below zero, you have to wear the proper "UNIFORM".

Perhaps a three season lightweight "Blend" Suit will be suitable if one has to travel in a vehicle or public transit without A/C. Essentially it is a WRINKLE-Resistant Wool/Poly blend fabric of approx 55%/45%. It was invented by Miliken Fabric people in about 1950. Hart Schaffner & Marx pioneered it in producing lighter weight suits that were lighter than their 100% worsted wool suits that were the traditional suit fabric. In those days, Air Conditioning was uncommon in many office buildings and almost zero automobiles had A/C until the sixties. Hart Schaffner & Marx trademarked/patented the fabric under the name VIRACLE. It essentially was the same appearance and texture and feel as typical worsted wool, except it was lighter, cooler to the wearer in humid/hot tropical weather, and the fabric did not wrinkle like traditional 100% wool did.
Every Suit maker essentially followed suit and did produce a "blend", usually this same 55%/45% mix.
In those pre-A/C days, it was common for gentlemen to wear suits when travelling by air or by train.
The only option prior to "Blend" lightweight fabrics in hot/humid climates like Georgia/Florida/the Deep South, were seer-sucker suits, but those are UNACCEPTABLE for interviewing today. Seer-sucker is that sort of corrugated cotton cloth Suit that Ben Matlock wore sometimes on Matlock.
Likewise, short sleeve(half-sleeve) mens dress shirts are NOT ACCEPTABLE today, no matter how hot it does get.
People realize that everyone does sweat when walking from the car to the office or walking a city block or two to another office building. Just don't lose your cool. Your suit must remain clean and pressed, so if you are in a HOT HUMID area in the Summer, get a lightweight Blend suit, and always wear a WHITE SHIRT. White shows perspiration less than light blue or French Blue. Sweat spots are far more noticeable on light blue and french blue shirts, than on white ones.
Military personnel must wear heavy long sleeve fatigues in the heat where ever they go because it is the uniform. Ladies were required to wear hose at all times and skirts. I can tell you it is brutal in 102F Savannah GA heat to wear hose. The other thing is it is not fun having to wear a skirt when it is 27F in December/January..... You have to do what you have to do.
It is the required UNIFORM! Yes, you have choices in ties and whether you choose a solid blue, grey, blue with subtle fine pinstripes, charcoal grey with subtle fine pinstripes, and a few others like very tight glen plaid blue and grey ones that appear mostly solid unless one gets right up close to it. You also have black and brown. Be careful about Black suits. Nothing looks as unapoligetically cheap as a low quality Black suit. You can easy look to much like a funeral director in a quality one. Black suits look good on some people if the suit is high quality and tailored to drape and fit perfectly. Wear a conservative tie with some cheerful colors. Choose Blue or Grey or Charcoal Grey before choosing Black for a suit color! Can't say enough about getting your suit tailored to Fit you well. USED but old suits (2-button Presidental type..) can be found everywhere because most men in the USA get fat and can no longer wear it before it shows significant wear/age from use.
Search ebay: Saks Fifth Ave, Barney's, Nordstrom, Neiman Marcus and the number that is your suit size 38 if it is 38, or 42 if it is 42....etc.
You should find some quality suits for very low cost, $50 or less, usually always under $75.
The thing to pay attention to are the DETAILS..... width of lapel and if the trousers are traditional single pleat. You don't want any seventies beltless or flared trousers.
You'll see Measurements listed for Shoulder from seam to seam in inches, and chest measured from armpit to armpit, and sleeve length from shoulder seam to cuff, and you will see the jacket length listed from bottom of collar to coat hem down the back, and you might also see the jacket waist measurement listed as this is generally wear the jacket buttons at your waist area or the narrowest point of the jacket below the chest.
Example: A size 40
Chest 21" armpit to armpit X 2 for 42 inch chest (chest is generally two inches larger than Jacket size)
Shoulder to Shoulder: 18"
Sleeve 25"
Waist 39.5
Jacket Length 31.5
**that covers it for the coat measurements
the trousers are likely listed as
Pants Waist: 34
Inseam 31
*******Important: YOU MUST FIND YOUR EXACT MEASUREMENTS BY MEASURING A COAT THAT YOU ALREADY OWN THAT FITS YOU PERFECTLY!
Remember that YOU CAN HAVE A SEAMSTRESS/TAILOR MAKE ALTERATIONS, but and this is a big but...
You CAN'T SUCCESSFULLY Lengthen JACKET Sleeves and YOU CAN'T SUCCESSFULLY LENGTHEN TROUSER LEGS if they are Too Short, EVEN IF ENOUGH MATERIAL IS HEMMED UNDER because you will expose a FOLD line in most cases if you attemp to lengthen and it won't look good. Sometimes it can be done and you won't see anything....but 75% of the time it won't come out perfect......SO ALWAYS GET SLEEVES THAT ARE EXACT OR WITHIN 1/4 of an inch from Exact so you can live with it. If you intend to tailor it, sleeves that are too long are fine as they can be hemmed up and look perfect.
Ditto for trouser legs...... Trouser waistbands you want the size or slightly larger to have taken in to fit you. Trying to let out a waistband on a USED suit is a bad idea!
Simply suggestions that may be helpful to those on a budget that are not interviewing for top level vp jobs.
Also search Ebay for these Suit brands of the past. Search all categories. Simply put the size number after the name
Example: Marx 42 and that should find Hart Schaffner & Marx size 42....you could type in the whole maker's name but Marx will work fine.
Some old suit makers:
Hart Schaffner & Marx
Oxxford
Hickey-Freeman
H. Freeman & Sons of Philadelphia
Yves St. Laurent
PBM
Cricketeer
Kuppenheimer
Pierre Cardin
Chaps-Ralph Lauren
Brooks Brothers
.............those are just a few that you might find vintage suits from the early eighties that would be totally in style today......lapel size, notched lapel 2 button suits with traditional single pleat trousers.
I'm not joking. The suits from that time will be indistinguishable from today's style as that era had slightly narrower than medium lapels/medium lapels.
Material quality is far better than new suits that you will purchase today for under $900 to $1000.
You can find them all day long for well under $100 on ebay, most often for about $50. Spend $75 getting it tailored if necessary. Find a used one that is a perfect fit and you are in business for next to nothing. Yes there is risk that the garment is more worn than seller described but it could be a good option. I know attorneys that keep several in their storage closets for defendant court appearances.
They often send their office girl on an errand to find quality suits in a specific measurement at local goodwills, but many times can order something from an ebay seller/store also.

Ditto for top brand dress shoes. If you can't afford the $250 for a good pair of new dress shoes.
Ebay, simply type in your size and search for an hour or two. Be careful to select something that is not scuffed up or badly worn and buy only quality makers in very conservative styles. Never pay more than $40 or so tops as used shoes are not worth much more, or bite the bullet and buy yourself a good pair of new black dress shoes.

Look good and be happy!
If you are not completely comfortable wearing a suit and tie and dress shoes. Get used to wearing it by taking your girlfriend out someplace where both of you dress up, and you will get comfortable after two dates like that. Look sharp. Your confidence will get even better. You will turn heads. You'll pick up more chicks. Guys, listen up, we notice shoes, clothes, hair and the person being confident. If something isn't clean, neat, and sharp, we really pick up on it.
Be sure to get it right because you might have your interview with a woman from HR.
Good luck.
You'll do great.
Just dress up and look great and you'll be confident that you did everything you could do.
Hang in there.
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Old 07-09-2013, 03:34 PM
 
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I would dress more conservative for a job interview in an office. Though there can be some grey areas for sure, it is more embarrassing to underdress for an interview than to overdress if the job itself is a formal setting (office / high position / stuffy corporate environment, etc)

If the field of work does not fall into those categories, then most men who apply tend to know what they "should wear" for an interview before going in.

I personally prefer casual attire, but it just depends on what job you are applying for.
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Old 07-09-2013, 04:04 PM
 
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Mkpunk, you get respect after you've earned it on the job. Acting entitled to respect from a potential employer isn't going to get you anywhere in this market. Human decrncy, sure.
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