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Old 07-29-2013, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Maui County, HI
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That is not how things work in a market economy. Simply having jobs because of your entitlement feelings is not at all productive or efficient.
So what do you do if you can't get a job and the government doesn't provide you with some basic means to survive? Seems to me you have no choice but to steal.
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Old 07-30-2013, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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So what do you do if you can't get a job and the government doesn't provide you with some basic means to survive? Seems to me you have no choice but to steal.
That or live like a runaway I guess.
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Old 07-30-2013, 12:27 PM
 
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Saw a post on craigslist today. HVAC guy complaining that his company can't find people. $20 an hour to start. Says training people is "not an option". That's what they ALL say. That's the typical BS right there. Typical employer mentality. They believe they are entitled to strongly skilled employees and should be handed them on a silver platter, and pay the least as possible. $20 an hour isn't too bad though. I think this guys problem was the fact that his company is just biting more then it can chew.
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Old 07-30-2013, 09:19 PM
 
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I have been to enough to know most don't work the way you use to. They don't offer "on the spot" interviews and 90% of the jobs tell you go online and do not take resumes. I don't think that was always the case when it came to job fairs. Add in the fact most job fairs are the same companies at all of them and most are insurance sales and other high turnover jobs it don't help.

The new processes are how many locations use online applications and how few actually take written ones. The fact is for many people, they maynot realize the world changed and that the emperor is naked.
About job fairs...I have seen them work. Put on your game, strike a rapport with the interviewer, and let him/her know that you are going to cite him/her as the internal employee referral source in the online applications. That internal employee referral - after speaking with them for five minutes and striking a rapport - is invaluable.

This only works if you are on top of your game and strike that rapport. Best wishes to you.
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Old 07-31-2013, 02:57 PM
 
Location: USA
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I disagree. Society owes a job to anybody that wants a job. If it can't provide that, it has to provide welfare.
Agreed.

If society cannot provide living wage jobs to all those people who want to work and who are able to at least perform some level of meaningful work, than that society is, at its core, running on a failed economic system.

We can go on and on all we want about how "companies only exist to make money" and how wonderful that supposedly is (for the executives, of course), but if the nation cannot meaningfully employ those who want to work and who can work, than its economic policies are basically a failure.

And, no, the old clap-trap about "start your own business" as a way to hide the loss of jobs in this nation isn't going to work. The odds of starting up your own business from nothing and getting it to the point where you can live off of it are close to the odds of hitting it big at a casino. Luck and cheap (or free) start-up money play an even larger role than the huge amount of work required, and most people who are out of work are specifically in situations that make it nearly impossible for them to raise the capital to create a start-up business - banks aren't big on lending large amounts of money to the unemployed. It also doesn't do them any good if the start-up *might* show a profit in 5 years when they need to pay their bills now.
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Old 07-31-2013, 08:01 PM
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Location: Tall Building down by the river
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Agreed.

If society cannot provide living wage jobs to all those people who want to work and who are able to at least perform some level of meaningful work, than that society is, at its core, running on a failed economic system.

We can go on and on all we want about how "companies only exist to make money" and how wonderful that supposedly is (for the executives, of course), but if the nation cannot meaningfully employ those who want to work and who can work, than its economic policies are basically a failure.

And, no, the old clap-trap about "start your own business" as a way to hide the loss of jobs in this nation isn't going to work. The odds of starting up your own business from nothing and getting it to the point where you can live off of it are close to the odds of hitting it big at a casino. Luck and cheap (or free) start-up money play an even larger role than the huge amount of work required, and most people who are out of work are specifically in situations that make it nearly impossible for them to raise the capital to create a start-up business - banks aren't big on lending large amounts of money to the unemployed. It also doesn't do them any good if the start-up *might* show a profit in 5 years when they need to pay their bills now.

Thank you, I swear if this was my site I would ban anyone who suggested that a unemployed person start their own business
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Old 08-01-2013, 12:34 AM
 
Location: U.S.A., Earth
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I personally can't say that job fairs are irrelevant since my current one was found through one. However, it took going to them for 4 months till that happened, and it was only b/c I had to relocate, and they were as desperate as I was (fancy that). I'm in IT where it's a bit better, but I can see how with other types of work, the ratio of job seekers to available jobs is even larger, it's quite the crapshoot. I went to ALOT of them, but later on, skipped those over an hour to 1hr 15min. one way, as gas and time can get costly.

I was amused at one job fair, there were many older folks... in their 40s to 60s. Devry, Strayer, and Trident University also set up shop. Those got ZERO attendees. Sure, some people looked over at them while waiting in line to talk to companies with jobs, but many agreed that the attendees want jobs to pay for bills and other expenses ASAP... not to SPEND MONEY to attend an academic program that likely may not help their career levels... 1.2 years or so later at that.

Some companies only set up stalls to establish a presence, with not a lot of hiring planned anyways.

Those that have you send resumes online at the very least will talk to very prospective candidates with special instructions or possible openings. Some are under government contract regulation where they're NOT allowed to take paper resumes... by federal law, it has to be done online. If nothing else, I know a lot of recruiters and reps just simply do NOT want to have to carry a stack of 40 to 800 pages of resumes back to the office. That right there is exhausting, but to have to scan them by hand, or go through them in more detail... not gonna happen with today's cutbacks. If nothing else, you may want to opt for online submissions anyways, as it seems a bit too easy to lose a few pages of those resumes before they get into the system.
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Old 10-02-2013, 11:44 AM
 
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Agreed.

If society cannot provide living wage jobs to all those people who want to work and who are able to at least perform some level of meaningful work, than that society is, at its core, running on a failed economic system.

We can go on and on all we want about how "companies only exist to make money" and how wonderful that supposedly is (for the executives, of course), but if the nation cannot meaningfully employ those who want to work and who can work, than its economic policies are basically a failure.

And, no, the old clap-trap about "start your own business" as a way to hide the loss of jobs in this nation isn't going to work. The odds of starting up your own business from nothing and getting it to the point where you can live off of it are close to the odds of hitting it big at a casino. Luck and cheap (or free) start-up money play an even larger role than the huge amount of work required, and most people who are out of work are specifically in situations that make it nearly impossible for them to raise the capital to create a start-up business - banks aren't big on lending large amounts of money to the unemployed. It also doesn't do them any good if the start-up *might* show a profit in 5 years when they need to pay their bills now.

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Old 10-02-2013, 01:01 PM
 
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I started a business when I was unemployed. Took about $1500. Fortunately for me, being unemployed didn't mean I was completely out of funds. I have learned to be a saver over time. I completely learned something new, that was $900 of it, and the rest was supplies.

Profit took the 5 years, but its really about cash flow.

"job fairs" can work. I went to an open house, basically a job fair for one company, I treated it as a full job interview, turned out it was. I too was sent home to do the online app and assessment. But my name was already tagged as an applicant name to look out for, it was pulled out of the batch of hundreds, and I was hired, without another interview.

So yes it can happen. You have to try EVERYTHING, and keep on going. Just because it didn't work once doesn't mean it won't the next time. And keep working on YOU the entire time.
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Old 10-02-2013, 07:00 PM
 
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Watched another one of those docs following people faced with longterm unemployment and so much of what they're going through and what they discussed is echoed here. One of the most common sentiments was that these people really value being able to work and support themselves and just want to be given the opportunity to do that instead of being assumed moochers. Some of them were on the street with placards spelling out their credentials and a stack of resumes trying to stop anyone who might have a lead. It's a shame when it becomes so difficult for people to help themselves.
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