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Old 07-18-2013, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Corona the I.E.
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Keep in mind that this is the "official" policy. Many hiring managers use the "backdoor" and their network to obtain "unofficial" references.
Exactly what I was getting at.
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Old 07-18-2013, 10:12 PM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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I know, because I do it checking out prospective hires.

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Exactly what I was getting at.
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Old 07-18-2013, 11:28 PM
 
Location: Western Washington
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Some managers will circumvent corporate policies, others will not.

I personally feel that this is a terrible corporate policy, but companies simply do not care. After all, you have left their employment, so they owe you nothing.
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Old 07-19-2013, 12:20 AM
 
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Keep in mind that this is the "official" policy. Many hiring managers use the "backdoor" and their network to obtain "unofficial" references.
hi, what do you mean by this?
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Old 07-19-2013, 04:23 AM
 
Location: Richmond, VA
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hi, what do you mean by this?
Seriously? Okay, this should illustrate it:

"Bob, this is Joe. How's the wife? Yeah, me too-really enjoyed seeing you all last night. Let's get together this weekend.

Say, I got a potential new hire: Frank Smith, who worked for you all for a year or two. I know you guys don't give out references, but can you tell me quietly as a buddy: how is he? Worth having?

Thanks, buddy. See you tonight for poker."
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Old 07-19-2013, 05:12 AM
 
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The current company I work also has a no reference policy. I think this is becoming the norm.

The funny thing is that while my current company won't give references no matter how good someone was, they also ask for them on their own application. It's a double standard.

Maybe the new company will just have to learn to take chances with people and have some sort of grace period to protect themselves if they have to let someone goes due to poor performance.
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Old 07-19-2013, 05:28 AM
 
Location: St Thomas, US Virgin Islands
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The funny thing is that while my current company won't give references no matter how good someone was, they also ask for them on their own application. It's a double standard.
I'm not sure what you mean. A previous employer may (certainly not all do) hesitate to give any information other than that which is strictly required such as length of employment, etc. However, my references were always people in business who knew me through business and community projects and were able and willing to attest to my basic character and aptitude based on my dealings with them. Nothing unusual in that and doesn't indicate any sort of "double standard".
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Old 07-19-2013, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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As STT said, provide references who you have had a business relationship with outside the company, or coworkers who no longer work for the prior employer.

I work in IT for larger corporations, and the no reference policy has existed at every company I've worked at since at least the 90s. It's a policy most companies take seriously and employees violate it at their own peril. I will not, but I happily respond to requests from people I've worked with in the past at prior employers.
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Old 07-19-2013, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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That sounds so dumb to me, so a person can't use a supervisor as a reference which is someone who knows all about what type of worker they are
In many cases, no.

Still giving employment advice for a living, are ya?
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Old 07-19-2013, 09:31 AM
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Location: Tall Building down by the river
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In many cases, no.

Still giving employment advice for a living, are ya?


I always thought a reference list with all former supervisors was attractive
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