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Old 07-18-2013, 08:23 PM
 
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more and more companies are instituting policies where supervisors may not give references for former employees, and instead they only provide dates of employment.

i've been thinking about this a lot lately because my former (as of a few hours ago) employer has a policy like this and it kind of bugs me. i've been hearing all day about how valuable and irreplaceable and amazing i am, and how my manager couldn't sleep last night worrying about me leaving, etc. and i made sure to leave everything orderly and well documented and accounted for, so the transition could be as smooth as possible (they haven't found a replacement for me yet). and what do i get for that? nothing but the satisfaction that i did the right thing, i guess. i could have spend my notice period goofing off and the results would be the same for me.

because all of this nice stuff counts for nothing in my future career. it's a 3 year hole in my job history that i can't account for with a reference, and i already have a couple of those because of a boss who passed away and another employer who doesn't do references. i have performance reviews, but they didn't satisfy my new employer (they requested a peer reference and a call with my manager to verify the policy), and i doubt that's unusual.

so i know these policies are meant to prevent litigation - employees saying a bad reference cost them a job, and maybe employers saying a good one caused a bad hire? i dunno. does this really happen? and if so, how often? is it really worth screwing over former employees and leaving them without any proof of their job performance?
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Old 07-18-2013, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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It's partially due to employers having lawsuits over alleged bad mouthing because technically all they have to say is did they work here in that position and are the dates correct?
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Old 07-18-2013, 08:45 PM
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Location: Tall Building down by the river
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I made sure all my previous supervisors gave me a reference because it looks better. And i plan to continue that since I have no problem maintaining good working relationships with any supervisor
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Old 07-18-2013, 08:49 PM
 
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I made sure all my previous supervisors gave me a reference because it looks better. And i plan to continue that since I have no problem maintaining good working relationships with any supervisor
that doesn't help when the company has a strict no reference policy. my supervisors love me at this job, but they are prohibited by corporate policy from giving me references. it has nothing to do with our working relationships, which are excellent.
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Old 07-18-2013, 08:50 PM
 
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It's partially due to employers having lawsuits over alleged bad mouthing because technically all they have to say is did they work here in that position and are the dates correct?
technically they don't have to say anything. i just wonder how justified this fear of lawsuits is - like how much it's actually happened or if it's just something that lawyers figure MIGHT conceivably happen.
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Old 07-18-2013, 08:58 PM
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that doesn't help when the company has a strict no reference policy. my supervisors love me at this job, but they are prohibited by corporate policy from giving me references. it has nothing to do with our working relationships, which are excellent.

That sounds so dumb to me, so a person can't use a supervisor as a reference which is someone who knows all about what type of worker they are
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Old 07-18-2013, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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technically they don't have to say anything. i just wonder how justified this fear of lawsuits is - like how much it's actually happened or if it's just something that lawyers figure MIGHT conceivably happen.
I think it is perceived but there is likely a shred of truth that someone completely character assassinated a current or former employee in a way that was complete lies and was somehow found out.
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Old 07-18-2013, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Corona the I.E.
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that doesn't help when the company has a strict no reference policy. my supervisors love me at this job, but they are prohibited by corporate policy from giving me references. it has nothing to do with our working relationships, which are excellent.
I haven't seen that before. What happens to me is most mangers in the same industry all know each other so they just call direct without asking.
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Old 07-18-2013, 09:35 PM
 
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i give out my manager's phone number, but she abides by the policy and just refers them to a website where they can verify my employment. maybe some people wouldn't follow the policy, but she does, as does my other main manager. i also wasn't looking in the same industry or geographical area as my last job. i do think a fair number of managers ignore policies like this, and good for them.
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Old 07-18-2013, 09:38 PM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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Keep in mind that this is the "official" policy. Many hiring managers use the "backdoor" and their network to obtain "unofficial" references.
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