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Old 07-23-2013, 10:41 AM
 
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Ok, wise guy. My buddy who works at one of the "Big 4" tech companies told me that your major is just a label and they care only about what skills you have. That's the only reason I'm trying in the first place.

Read this article:

Coding Horror: Why Can't Programmers.. Program?

"Like me, the author is having trouble with the fact that 199 out of 200 applicants for every programming job can't write code at all. I repeat: they can't write any code whatsoever."

The things is, I can write code, and I'm confident that I do it well. I spend a lot of my free time on Stack Overflow learning the coolest ways of solving problems and how to adhere to the best coding principles.
yeah, your major doesn't matter. If you can show people that you can write code and a good problem solver, people will hire you. I interview many people who said they can write code, but they were wrong.
It's very hard to get good developer in the market. That's why you steal other companies' developers. Good developers don't apply for jobs, jobs look for them.

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Old 07-24-2013, 07:57 AM
 
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The things is, I can write code, and I'm confident that I do it well. I spend a lot of my free time on Stack Overflow learning the coolest ways of solving problems and how to adhere to the best coding principles.
Ok ill repeat my self, do you have personal open sourced projects and/or contributed to an existing OSS project and can show code examples or link to a code repository showing your work?

What kind of developer are you trying to be? Web based? Native applications? Mobile applications?
Do you have samples of code to show you know how to code each of these kinds of applications?

How do you show you know best practices?

You said you have taken java courses what other languages do you know?

My school used java in their main course work but by the time i graduated I had personal projects coded that i could use as samples in:
  • C/C++ (samples using DirectX and openGl)
  • PHP (LAMP stack application)
  • PERL
  • C# ( data driven with MSSQL)
  • Java (Client-server pair application using sockets and encryption and swing)
  • 8086 Asm

Can you compete with fresh grads that have that kind of portfolio?
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Old 07-24-2013, 09:43 AM
 
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Ok ill repeat my self, do you have personal open sourced projects and/or contributed to an existing OSS project and can show code examples or link to a code repository showing your work?

What kind of developer are you trying to be? Web based? Native applications? Mobile applications?
Do you have samples of code to show you know how to code each of these kinds of applications?

How do you show you know best practices?

You said you have taken java courses what other languages do you know?

My school used java in their main course work but by the time i graduated I had personal projects coded that i could use as samples in:
  • C/C++ (samples using DirectX and openGl)
  • PHP (LAMP stack application)
  • PERL
  • C# ( data driven with MSSQL)
  • Java (Client-server pair application using sockets and encryption and swing)
  • 8086 Asm

Can you compete with fresh grads that have that kind of portfolio?
I probably couldn't compete with fresh grads who have that type of portfolio. But really, did you have experience before you entered college? Did you just dabble with each of those languages during college for coursework, and those projects were part of your coursework? Would it be better to have a base knowledge and experience in 10 different languages and technologies rather than knowing 1 or 2 languages very well? Does it help at all if I have a good mathematical background and so I understand in the fullest sense how to implement Fourier Transforms for image compression?
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Old 07-24-2013, 10:31 AM
 
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I probably couldn't compete with fresh grads who have that type of portfolio. But really, did you have experience before you entered college? Did you just dabble with each of those languages during college for coursework, and those projects were part of your coursework? Would it be better to have a base knowledge and experience in 10 different languages and technologies rather than knowing 1 or 2 languages very well? Does it help at all if I have a good mathematical background and so I understand in the fullest sense how to implement Fourier Transforms for image compression?

you need know one technology very well. I only know asp.net C#, MVC, sql. that's one technology. I can get a interview as soon as I post my resume to dice. I don't need to learn java, php...

And you learn those by work on your own project.
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Old 07-24-2013, 11:15 AM
 
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The programming jobs that you are looking at on the job boards? Do you meet the requirements? Don't most of the jobs ask for x years experience in specific technologies and/or IT/CS degree? There is usually a gatekeeper of some sort that scans for the requirements. If you don't meet the requirements, they aren't going to consider you for most jobs.
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Old 07-24-2013, 11:26 AM
 
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The programming jobs that you are looking at on the job boards? Do you meet the requirements? Don't most of the jobs ask for x years experience in specific technologies and/or IT/CS degree? There is usually a gatekeeper of some sort that scans for the requirements. If you don't meet the requirements, they aren't going to consider you for most jobs.
Ok, then I don't know what the **** I'm gonna do for a job. I guess it was useless to teach myself programming.
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Old 07-24-2013, 11:41 AM
 
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Ok give up.
all the aspiring 'IT' guys whining on this board should give up. Youre not going to get anywhere in IT without processing information, recognizing patterns, or recognizing where *you* screwed up.
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Old 07-24-2013, 05:25 PM
 
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Ok, then I don't know what the **** I'm gonna do for a job. I guess it was useless to teach myself programming.
That was a question...are you having any luck meeting the mininum qualifications for programmig positions? Didn't mean to get you upset. Just wondering what you are seeing in the job ads. How many jobs do you meet the min qualifications for? Enough to find new job ads each day where you meet the qualifications? Otherwise try plan B or C or D.
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Old 07-24-2013, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Golden, CO
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Ok, then I don't know what the **** I'm gonna do for a job. I guess it was useless to teach myself programming.
Do you have a LinkedIn profile?
Do you have code samples?
What information do you have on your resume?

I'm a programmer but my undergrad degree is in Geography. learned how to write code when my employer started asking for "maps on the Web." I've since moved on to another job and used a lot of samples from work projects and things I had done on my own outside of work.
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Old 07-25-2013, 12:25 AM
 
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Do you have a LinkedIn profile?
Do you have code samples?
What information do you have on your resume?
I have a LinkedIn profile. What would suffice for a code sample? Write now I'm making a captcha solver that is like 400 lines of code spread over 3 .h files.
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