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Old 07-28-2013, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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How can you get paid so little in oil booming AB?
I'm very patient, and I'm willing to suffer short-term pain for long-term gain; it has paid off in spades before. But I'm not willing to suffer long-term pain so the boss and his wife can drive German luxury SUV's.

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My friends, south of MH, said the closer to Calgary wages shoot way up and so does COL.
I know. It's a disgrace. The man is a disgrace to the ethics of our profession. If I had my way I'd have APEGGA pull his license to practice.
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Old 07-28-2013, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Durham
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Depends on who does the interview. If a person I can't click with, I would just say I had a better offer and took it. If person comprehends well and has good attitude, I would tell 2 or 3 things I thought needed fixing. I did that at last exit I had for a large co. The mgr doing the interview was a guy I had always worked well with. He already knew a lot of my complaints, from day to day conversations. But I also made sure to tell what I liked about the co. There were some positive things.
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Old 07-31-2013, 01:42 AM
 
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So is it OK to say that you found a job with a better salary, even if the real reasons are that you hate your lying/incompetent slave-driving boss and the 16 hour workdays and weekends? What happens if your company says "OK, we'll match that salary!" Then they will want to know why you won't accept their counteroffer.
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Old 07-31-2013, 05:00 AM
 
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So is it OK to say that you found a job with a better salary, even if the real reasons are that you hate your lying/incompetent slave-driving boss and the 16 hour workdays and weekends? What happens if your company says "OK, we'll match that salary!" Then they will want to know why you won't accept their counteroffer.
You don't have to accept, you thank them for the offer but that you are still moving on. Every job I left tried to match the new job's offerings. I left for money reasons with the exception of one with the layoffs. And I told them it was because of that.
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Old 07-31-2013, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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I agree with the poster that said if companies/HR aren't willing to provide feedback to candidates as to why they didn't hire them and help them to improve why should departing employees help the company in the same fashion?
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Old 07-31-2013, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Underneath the Pecan Tree
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Never had an exit interview, but was offered it once. I declined. Most jobs I've left is due to horrible management and pretty much I air out my feeling while still an employee. They just don't give a **** because none of my opinions or suggestions would make them more money.

I was once working at a hardware and made a suggestion about one of the displays. Customers consistently complained about how unorganized and messy it was. It also put a strain on the employees when trying to find something. I spoke to upper management and they say to me "Fine, are you willing to help pay for new displaying, including labor?"

WTF! You're a multi-million dollar company and you act like you can't shell out at the most 1k for a better display?!?! Most of these companies are about money and always will be.
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Old 07-31-2013, 11:12 AM
 
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Never had an exit interview, but was offered it once. I declined. Most jobs I've left is due to horrible management and pretty much I air out my feeling while still an employee. They just don't give a **** because none of my opinions or suggestions would make them more money.

I was once working at a hardware and made a suggestion about one of the displays. Customers consistently complained about how unorganized and messy it was. It also put a strain on the employees when trying to find something. I spoke to upper management and they say to me "Fine, are you willing to help pay for new displaying, including labor?"

WTF! You're a multi-million dollar company and you act like you can't shell out at the most 1k for a better display?!?! Most of these companies are about money and always will be.
Did you have a plan for a potential solution?

My rule is anyone can complain to me about any problem, but I won't listen to them unless they have thought of two potential ways to solve it.
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Old 07-31-2013, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Underneath the Pecan Tree
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Did you have a plan for a potential solution?

My rule is anyone can complain to me about any problem, but I won't listen to them unless they have thought of two potential ways to solve it.
It was more of customer complaint. That alone should have motivated them to do something about it.
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Old 07-31-2013, 02:36 PM
 
Location: USA
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Don't bother telling them anything.

If they actually cared, they'd listen to their employees while they were still working there vs. ignoring all the problems and letting people walk.

Worse, if you tell them the truth, they'll just black-list you or give out bad references. Remember that most "leaders" these days are spiteful, small-minded, and far more interested in revenge and office politics than they are in actually doing their job or fixing real problems.

Just walk out of there and be done with them, IMHO.
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Old 07-31-2013, 06:35 PM
 
Location: South Hampton Roads
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We've all had difficult bosses/supervisors etc. And probably quit/got another job because of one. Have you ever told exactly why at the exit interview with HR or someone other than the boss that was the reason for leaving or if a higher up boss (as in your boss's boss) ask why you are leaving? And I am not saying obviously in a hissy fit or wild accusations. Just a professional narration of why.

Or did you simply stick to a generic line such as "Had a better opportunity/Better pay etc etc"
One time I wrote a letter to HR and one of my other managers after I left letting them know how poor one of my managers was which caused me to resign. The woman I worked for primarily had mood swings that were out of control. One minute she was your best friend and singing your praises, the next minute she was yelling at you, standing over you and trying to physically intimidate you. I requested two meetings with her twice and privately told her what she was doing (creating a hostile work environment) to both give her the chance to correct it AND to go thru the proper chain of command. When I realized that it wasn't stopping and I saw how manipulative she was (not to mention 5 previous people had left the same position because of her) I realized that clearly her managers valued her more than they did the rest of us and I decided to leave.

I wrote a professional AND detailed letter of how this manager treated her staff and that someone should have monitored her more closely and given her management training. Not long after that, this lady left the company and moved out of state - lol. I think my letter caused a stir.

Anyway, I think in most instances if you have a generic job in corporate America, then you just need to give the standard "got a better opportunity" line. I worked for a children's medical non profit and just felt that treatment was unacceptable at a place like that.

If you are in professional circles and in a corporate position, I would just leave with a gritted smile and move on.
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