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Old 08-01-2013, 08:31 AM
 
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Originally Posted by kutra11 View Post
But that doesn't tell me that she has stopped stealing! Maybe she still is a thief... ...she's just became good at avoiding arrest since her rookie mistake!
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I can tell you that after this incident, she was so ashamed and humiliated it set her straight. Her parents were there when she was caught and their disappointment alone made her feel like a horrible human being. She hasn't stolen anything since. However, I understand that an employer wouldn't know this unless they knew her personally. She's my roommate and my best friend of 10 years so I can vouch for her, haha.

I think it's also worth noting that there are plenty of thieves out there that haven't been caught yet. I think an employer can never know who's trustworthy until they've been hired (even then there's no garauntee... I brought home five blank envelopes just the other day! )

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As you sign the papers giving them permission to run the background check, there is an option to "disclose" anything that might come up. I am surprised it wasn't told to her verbally as well but it should be noted on that paper at least. And even if it wasn't on there, she should have said, "When you run this background check, you will see "this" incident. Here is what happened" She shouldn't have to hope it doesn't come up and not disclose it. Lesson learned.
I spoke to my friend again about this and it turns out she did sign a background check consent form. However the only question on the form was related to felony charges, which she doesn't have, so she marked no. In retrospect, this was probably the opportune moment to mention her misdemeanor. Welp, as you said, lesson learned.

 
Old 08-01-2013, 08:41 AM
 
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Why didn't your friend try and get this expunged? Prior to looking for a new job?

How about some common sense?

She had a steady job, she knew she has this charge against her(sounds like shoplifting), why didn't she clean that up before doing a job search.
She was working at two companies before this and had no issues getting those jobs. When she went to court to pay her fines for the shoplifting crime, someone told her that it would be cleared from her record so she never thought to do anything else with it. Clearly she was misinformed.

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Everyone forgets she had a job. Quit that job. Was going to take a week off before starting the new job. Maybe if she wasn't treating herself to a week off, hopefully not funded by the former employer or co-workers, then the background check could have came through before her last day.
Really? You're going to harp at her for taking a break between jobs because she needed a mental break before starting her new position? And no, she received no funds from her former company during this time.
 
Old 08-01-2013, 10:41 AM
 
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I just accepted a job offer yesterday and had to fill out the background check info and sign to allow them to run the check. It states right on the form that you should not quit a job until after the check has been run and you know that you passed it. Of course the only reason I noted that was because of this thread, normally I would have probably just scanned that and not thought a thing about it.

I feel bad for your roommate.
 
Old 08-01-2013, 12:35 PM
 
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That really stinks. It doesn't just clear from your record, she has to take steps to clear it. I definitely would if I were her. I knew a guy who had a terrible record before he turned 18. He did all sorts of things that he's now ashamed of (over 20 years later). Just before he turned 18 a judge told him that now is the time to get straightened out because it'll affect him for the rest of his life. And he did. He had his record sealed when he turned 18 and turned his life around, has a degree, makes a good living, etc.

Point is he sealed the record so employees can't see that. Sure now that's over 20 years old, but looking at your friends situation it seems time doesn't matter.

Was it a job handling money? That can sometimes make a difference.

Good luck to your friend! I hope she can talk to them at least.
 
Old 08-01-2013, 12:51 PM
 
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Was it a job handling money? That can sometimes make a difference.

Good luck to your friend! I hope she can talk to them at least.
No, she wouldn't be handling money. It was a job were she oversees projects and enters their status into a system, making sure things get done on time, etc. The person who would have been her supervisor was actually sympathetic to her situation, but the decision to not hire came from the HR managers who are frustratingly out of touch.

A side question, if she applies for a job at a different company (let's call it Company A), but A is owned by the same umbrella corporation as the agency that rejected her for her misdemeanor (company B), could that affect her chances of getting hired by A?
 
Old 08-01-2013, 01:01 PM
 
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I would think that depends upon the HR factor of Company A. I don't think anyone could answer that question.
 
Old 08-01-2013, 01:16 PM
 
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So, why is my company obligated to hire someone and give them a chance?

Oh, and the person had a job. She quit it before the background results came back and she was cleared to start. Sorry, but she got herself in this position.

If the person wanted to earn money to pay for the things they need, they should have earned the money to pay for the item they stole...had they paid for that one, this whole thing would be moot.

Sorry, but I DO have issues with working with someone who was ok with resorting to theft...there's nothing to say they won't do it again, but there is also nothing to say they won't.
I haven't read through the entire thread. Was it a contingent offer? If so, sure, she should have waited to quit her job. No disagreement there.

Your company is not obligated to hire ANYBODY. That is true. Nobody is making the argument that they are.

Mostly what I'm observing are people making the case that what she did was wrong and stupid, it was in the past (almost a decade ago), and that it would be nice if she were given a second chance. Moderator cut: snip I know this is a site founded on the concept of anonymity, but I have no problem saying that I've done some stupid things in my past, particularly when I was younger. Moderator cut: snip

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Old 08-01-2013, 01:25 PM
 
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Wherever she applies, she should just disclose it if they are going to run a background check. Since it was a long time ago and she hasn't had any issues since then AND has held jobs, she shouldn't have a problem.

As for applying for a company that is owned by the same umbrella company, it shouldn't be an issue if each company handles their own HR. ie each company has a dedicated HR department that handles everything for their own company. If it's two companies that fall under the umbrella's HR, then no I wouldn't apply.
 
Old 08-01-2013, 01:59 PM
 
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IDk, but I'd get it expunged then re-apply in a few years (if she still wants to work there), they don't keep records forever.
 
Old 08-01-2013, 02:42 PM
 
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I haven't read through the entire thread. Was it a contingent offer? If so, sure, she should have waited to quit her job. No disagreement there.
She was given the form for the background check after she was given the offer and put in her notice. It was one of those "oh, we forgot to have you fill this out during the interview process." As I mentioned earlier, the form only asked if she had been convicted of a felony, and since her misdemeanor never affected her in the past she didn't think to disclose.


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