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I agree.. There has to be some point at which they can be helped by their doctor and themselves to not get that overweight...
At 20lbs overweight they need to be working with a dietician, physician and whoever to help them..
They have made personal choices to lead them to get obese... I have had to make choices in my life NOT to eat certain things I LOVED because it made me FAT....
I am very sorry if anyone is offended but it's time people take a look in the mirror and take responsibility for themselves.. Stop blaming other things and someone else.. if its a medical condition, get it treated...
I am and a lot of others are too but some of those disorders make it hard to lose weight so for example i'm losing .5 lb to 1 lb. a week and a lot of those disorders are hard to find unless your doctor happens to have seen them before which is how i was diagnosed with pcos and thyroid problems usually go with that my thyroid is pretty much destroyed by a thing called hashimoto's disease it had really progressed by the time they found it and it's a super rare disease it's usually not found until way late. And that's not even addressing the fact not everyone has healthcare and can afford to see a doctor. My sister is in that boat her doctor sees her for a small fee and gives her samples of all her meds or she would probably die, and before you say it she works hard and her hubby does too they just can't afford hundreds or more a month for her treatment. But anyway it sounds like you have it all figured out for someone that doesn't look at obstacles that might be in the way.
No you pretty much imply it. That's what bothers me. My point is that obese people first and foremost eat too much, foods that are not good for you and exercise too little. After that, some other factors come into play.
No I'm not.
You expressely are saying "if you are fat it is 100% because you eat too much" because you have spoken to every overweight person and know this for a fact.
And I have said "not everyone is overweight because they overeat, some people have genetic issues that cause them to be overweight even if they eat healthy and exercise." I myself am an example of one of those people who eat healthy, regularly exercise, and am overweight.
Sometimes "other factors" come into play first. That's what you don't understand.
Because we have never has such ready access to food or the types of food which are now available. Seriously, maybe you should learn some of this basic human history and biology before you go judging people.
For the vast majority of human history food was not available readily. In fact humans are shaped by millions of years to crave fatty, nutrient dense foods because of the regular scarcity of food. It used to be a selective advantage to put on weight easily as it made someone more likely to survive during periods of low food availability and had almost no negatives because there was never enough food available to cause wide spread obesity. Only in the last 50 years have the types and amount of foods we have been selected to crave become available to everyone of all income levels.
Combine that with sedentary lifestyle almost everyone has (regardless of weight) and no one should be surprised by the obesity epidemic. We have not had time to adapt to our new food availability as a species. People with fast metabolism now have the selective advantage. Personally, I am too grateful that I won that particular role of the die to be blaming people who didnt.
What about heart disease? Is that not a disease? Who is to blame for that?
What about cancer?
Diabetes, who is to blame for type 1?
Blame does nothing except make YOU feel superior instead of being grateful. You aren't any better than the chubby girl with PCOS. You are just luckier. And because of that you think you have the right to discriminate in hiring? Ridiculous.
Bravo- I can't rep you anymore but this is a great post.
Because America seems obsessed with the "it's not my fault mentality". Because people seem obsessed with labeling everything as discrimination.
In Holland I see kids getting fatter and fatter. I see adults steadily gaining weight. In the US I see people morbidly obese and everytime I am there, it seems the number of people that are that way has grown. Compared to the past, especially the not so recent past, the numbers are staggering. It is very annoying, at least to me, to hear people blame everything and everyone but themselves. Quite frankly, I find it ridiculous. Seeing someone weigh 400 pounds and then claim it is not his fault.
I am sure that there are people that have medical conditions that make them more likely to become that fat, but how come our entire history is not full of mentioning of such people?
You want to compare AIDS (a virus) and the plague (most likely a bacteria) to obesity, people eating too much and not exercising enough, to each other? With the current medical knowledge the black plague would not have spread as much. But obesity cannot be attributed to another organism like a virus or a bacteria.
Google pcos history and you will find that it's been around for centuries including weight gain and childlessness (in a lot of cases you can't have kids) and they didn't know how to treat it or even have a name for it. It's the same for thyroid, same for the disorder that makes people never feel full from the time they are babies and there's no treatment other than their loved ones have to keep them from food at all times locking cabinets, refrigerators, freezers, etc. Prader Willi Syndrome if you want to look it up. And yes it's a small amount of people but I'm saying now it's more easily detected because of blood tests and like for pcos ultrasounds and such if you have cysts and most/all of the symptoms and all the hormone imbalances they put you on a 30% or lower carb diet, 50% or more protein 20% or less fat diet. And some have to even go on an 800 lb. diet which is rarely recommended. But these diseases have been around with or without a name for at least several centuries.
It's probably only 5-10% of overweight people but don't act like it's not a real thing that's just suddenly been around because that's not the case. They've got better at diagnosing some of them and knowing what to do. For example, for my suspected pcos they just put me on birth control pills which now they know is the worst thing that can be done as it just makes you gain more weight usually and can actually make a lot of your symptoms worse (it did me) but now they know things like metformin and spironolactone help with the hormones as well as the fluid retention and swollen ankles and the insulin resistance and there's other pills as well such as a very specific birth control pill that i only take 10 days of the month. And a point to ponder, PCOSers that have weight loss surgery are one of the most likely to keep it off if they know they have it and know how to eat right for their disorder.
You expressely are saying "if you are fat it is 100% because you eat too much" because you have spoken to every overweight person and know this for a fact.
And I have said "not everyone is overweight because they overeat, some people have genetic issues that cause them to be overweight even if they eat healthy and exercise." I myself am an example of one of those people who eat healthy, regularly exercise, and am overweight.
Sometimes "other factors" come into play first. That's what you don't understand.
The problem is most likely 99.9% of fat people are fat because they eat too much and don't exercise. Actual diseases that cause uncontrollable weight gain are extremely rare, like Cushings. PCOS may be less rare, but not everyone experiences significant weight gain, and many people manage to lose weight even though they have PCOS. Also, it seems some scientists and doctors are beginning to believe that being overweight may be a cause of or increase symptoms of PCOS, due to lower levels of obesity found in those with PCOS in other countries: Obesity and Polycystic Ovary Syndrome
To go in to a situation assuming every obese person may haver a genetic disorder is like assuming every plane is going to crash because .01% of flights have some sort of complication. It's just backwards thinking. Furthermore, I think there's such little shame and such large acceptance of being overweight in America, that those who may genuinely have a more difficult time losing weight than others just give up because they feel it's not worth the extra effort when even people who don't have to put in the extra effort aren't losing weight.
And what is your self diagnosed gentic disorder that makes you gain weight?
In disorders like PCOS it can, I'm one of the examples, plus you can google it and find a lot of women and even studies. They also have to work to find the right bc pill for your particular hormone imbalance. In fact on youtube jillian michaels talks about before she was diagnosed and how she couldn't control her weight with 1200 calories and exercise and eating healthy. And she certainly isn't someone who shirks responsibility. And that's also why they test the contestants on the show and remember brittany from season 5 that had so much trouble losing weight PCOS just google brittany season 5 biggest loser pcos and one is even her own facebook and other pages that she authored on other sites.
From her fb page: After 5 long years of endless tests and no concrete answers, Jillian Michaels go-to Endocrinologist, Dr. Van Herle was able to crack the code: Pre PCOS / Metabolic Syndrome. And she's kept her weight off just ftr but it's been a bigger struggle than most people have. And I'm not saying you're not responsible once you know but i am saying since they all have their own special diets you probably won't be successful even trying every diet in the book. Some you need higher protein, or lower fat or the opposite for example. And some are hard to find without seeing a geneticist specifically looking for that condition. It shouldn't be overlooked or taken lightly.
And yes if someone is eating 12000 calories a day besides Prader Willi mostly because there's also cognitive delays and such so family has to be responsible. And I'm not talking about 600 lb. 5 foot tall eats 4 pizzas every day for breakfast. In fact here's my breakfast; oatmeal and fruit 4x a week other 3x a week healthy sugarless protein shake with skim milk and a fruit, lunch; a veggie and a lean meat source such as baked chicken (1 small thigh) or sometimes beans (1 cup), dinner; left over veggie (1-2 servings always 25 calories or less per serving same for lunch), left over meat or beans, and sometimes a fruit or more veggies if i'm still under 1200 calories. No soda, No kool aid, my tea is unsweetened cause i love the taste of loose tea from a good source with no other flavoring so no milk or sugar, but i even limit that, no coffee, mostly just water.
Also they're still trying to find the right med for me and they do blood work every few months that's how they know my hormones are high, that and my facial hair and other hairs are worse when they're high. Not all diseases are easy to treat. And ftr, I do take responsibility I've not had pie or cake for example since thanksgiving, i don't eat things like potato chips ever, i sometimes eat popcorn but just a few bites and without salt or butter. I don't eat fattening foods like spaghetti. And before people knew that i had a problem they told me to be tested. Because people that saw me all day every day even for lunch noticed I didn't eat a lot and it was the right foods. And also they all had someone in their family or friends that had a medical problem. Again it doesn't happen often but it does happen. A lot of people have an easier time finding the right meds on pcos and a lot of people harder time than I've even had. I just hope that the couple of meds that they're still playing around with gets the right one soon.
The problem is most likely 99.9% of fat people are fat because they eat too much and don't exercise. Actual diseases that cause uncontrollable weight gain are extremely rare, like Cushings. PCOS may be less rare, but not everyone experiences significant weight gain, and many people manage to lose weight even though they have PCOS. Also, it seems some scientists and doctors are beginning to believe that being overweight may be a cause of or increase symptoms of PCOS, due to lower levels of obesity found in those with PCOS in other countries: Obesity and Polycystic Ovary Syndrome
To go in to a situation assuming every obese person may haver a genetic disorder is like assuming every plane is going to crash because .01% of flights have some sort of complication. It's just backwards thinking. Furthermore, I think there's such little shame and such large acceptance of being overweight in America, that those who may genuinely have a more difficult time losing weight than others just give up because they feel it's not worth the extra effort when even people who don't have to put in the extra effort aren't losing weight.
If you had more knowledge of PCOS you'd know that is easier said than done.
I mean really, these doctors in medical school saying "well you have this disorder that makes you gain weight for no apparent reason, but if you lose weight it'll get better...."
DUH! We KNOW weight loss makes it better, now would someone figure out the unexplained weight gain part? Make THAT go away and I won't have anymore issues losing weight.
Tell someone who has a disorder that makes them gain weight with NO rhyme or reason "well just lose weight." That's like telling someone who is underwater and can't breathe "well, JUST breathe!"
I'd rather assume that person is trying to get their weight under control than assume they just don't care. If being overweight were just accepted, we as a nation wouldn't be working so hard to overcome it.
If you had more knowledge of PCOS you'd know that is easier said than done.
I mean really, these doctors in medical school saying "well you have this disorder that makes you gain weight for no apparent reason, but if you lose weight it'll get better...."
DUH! We KNOW weight loss makes it better, now would someone figure out the unexplained weight gain part? Make THAT go away and I won't have anymore issues losing weight.
Tell someone who has a disorder that makes them gain weight with NO rhyme or reason "well just lose weight." That's like telling someone who is underwater and can't breathe "well, JUST breathe!"
I'd rather assume that person is trying to get their weight under control than assume they just don't care. If being overweight were just accepted, we as a nation wouldn't be working so hard to overcome it.
My assertion was that there may be a link to having been overweight leading to the development of PCOS. There is a rhyme and reason for the weight gain for those who are diagnosed with PCOS, and these reasons are usually treatable through medication. It sounds like you have issues with all of the current medications offered, but it seems like the majority of PCOS weight gain examples can be treated. Maybe you are the exception to every rule, but the majority of obese americans are not.
Somewhere between 30% and 40% of US adults are overweight, so clearly, it's accepted. Additionally, 5-7% of children are now in a category called "super obese", which generally seems to be accepted much more than it was when I was young.
As someone who lives with PCOS and has researched this- NO, I do not think so, but I will read your article. Obesity is a side effect of PCOS. PCOS is NOT a side effect of obesity. Someone who is obese does not develop PCOS, but someone who has PCOS can become overweight, which is the case 80%-90% of the time.
I was always overweight, even as a very young child, I had excess hair on my body as a child, also. When I started my cycles, I was NEVER regular, for years I thought that was "normal" and only with my specialist did she say that was not normal and another sign of my PCOS from childhood.
If you have PCOS you are born with it and most of the times syptoms don't start to show until you hit puberty. Also it's usually it's not diagnosed until much later because it hasn't been recognized widely until more recently.
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DUH! We KNOW weight loss makes it better, now would someone figure out the unexplained weight gain part? Make THAT go away and I won't have anymore issues losing weight.