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Old 12-05-2013, 10:37 PM
 
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I think you are being too nitt picky on exact wording (I say that without knowing org structure of your company.)

For instance, my colleague and I are both Vice Presidents. Both do similar work and report into the same person. While our official job titles may be the same, he is clearly senior to me. He works on the more high profile assignments, and I will make sure I include him in my thought process when making big decisions. I don't think it would be incorrect for him to say he's the 'senior analyst' on the team, even though this doesn't officially exist. And I don't think he would be dishonest or even stretching the truth if he did so.
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Old 12-06-2013, 07:55 AM
 
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OP is why companies fail to find solid talent and keep it.

If you are nitpicking over a word, what else do you micromanage?
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Old 12-06-2013, 08:18 AM
 
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OP is why companies fail to find solid talent and keep it.

If you are nitpicking over a word, what else do you micromanage?
Again. You need to actually read the OP's post.
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Old 12-06-2013, 08:42 AM
 
Location: NoVA
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I have an ethics question for the board. I am currently interviewing candidates for a supervisory position in my organization. After completing the second round of interviews, I have come to find that my top pick listed an incorrect job title on his/her resume. The candidate works in another division of the organization that I work for so I was able to look them up in the system to determine what the actual job title is.

The title he/she listed is the same as his/her actual title except the candidate added the word "senior" to it. Personally, I don't think it's ok to lie on your resume but I don't necessarily think this infraction is worth losing a good candidate over. My department head on the other hand, feels that this candidate should be automatically disqualified. I'm sure I could argue my case and probably win as I am the hiring manager but on the other hand I don't think it would be smart to go against my bosses boss in the long run. Especially if this hire turns out to be a dud.

What do you think?
I think it depends.

What type of "system" are you using to look up their title? In my line of work, people can use "global e-mail" to find people in various divisions that aren't really even in our organization. The problem with that is... "global" isn't accurate. There are people listed in one title two years after they gave that title up. So depending on the system you use, it could be incorrect.

Was this discussed at the interview? Surely you saw that they have "senior" listed. Did you ask them what that means? What the ranks are? There may be three types of people in one job. One is the n00b, second is second and third is "senior". But depending where you are, the second might be considered "senior" because they're simply not a n00b and are in fact "senior" to the bulk of the rest. For my job, the turnover in this place is so fast that anyone who makes it past one year is dubbed an unofficial "senior", although the official senior title is given to only a very select few. But the reality is that anyone who makes it one year doing the job at this location is a "senior" because the job coupled with the location is known as "the meat grinder" and the vast majority don't even make it one year. My former boss, who has since gone onto bigger and better things, now refers to me as a senior because I've been at it for two years. It's not official, but anyone in the line of work knows the deal and calls me an "old timer".

But as the interviewer, you should have known or reasonably should have known, a bit about their employment title history since presumably, you know the requirements you're looking for and need in a candidate.

If there's not a reasonable explanation, then I would say it depends on the line of work you're in and the extent of openness and honesty that you require/desire of your employees.

For me, if I was interviewing someone in my line of work and saw that title on their resume, I'd ask them about it during the interview. In many places having the official "senior" title is no guarantee that they are what you truly need and the "title" is just that. A Title with no meat and they are not what their resume appears.

But if you're a banker and they're looking to become the head teller, I'd say that honesty on their resume is of utmost importance and may be reason to pass on hiring them.

It's little yes.

But it speaks volumes about their integrity.

If they lie about "little" things, then you know you can't trust them with the big things.

But I'm hard on things like that. I value honesty more so than a lot of others.
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Old 12-06-2013, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Yes, the candidate is interviewing for the "Sr" position. The red flag came up when they said "I'm already doing the job, I just want the title" but the candidate already had the title according to their resume.

Thanks for the replies so far. I am going to check references either way.
That's all I'd need to know. Titles are often pretty ambiguous at places, but this is a case where he knew it was a lie and did it anyway. I'd pass.
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Old 12-06-2013, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Vallejo
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OP is why companies fail to find solid talent and keep it.

If you are nitpicking over a word, what else do you micromanage?
Very true, sadly. A lot of people don't have any integrity and are pathological liars. It's pretty much impossible to hire those people for most positions. You couldn't put them in front of a cash register even. They might have exceptional technical abilities and do great work, but they're just unemployable because of character defects.
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Old 12-06-2013, 11:09 AM
 
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I actually have on my resume now that my job title at a previous employer was EIEIO

We didn't have titles at that place.. It's an accurate description of what I did, and it's a conversation starter.. I've been told that I got several interviews because of that.

FYI.. It stands for (and is listed in the resume precisely as..)

EIEIO - Email, Internet, Electronic Information Operations
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Old 12-06-2013, 11:50 AM
 
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Why don't you ask them why they put Sr. on the resume instead of overreacting like the toolbox you are? Is this what this country has turned into? Instead of approaching the actual person in question you slink around like a snake in the grass trying to find a gotchya?

You are an authoritive figure? Act like one. Face to face ask him. Are you scared?
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OP is why companies fail to find solid talent and keep it.

If you are nitpicking over a word, what else do you micromanage?
What is it with people who reply to posts they obviously didn't read?
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Old 12-06-2013, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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When applying for an internal position, surely the applicant knows that the hiring manager could easily look up their current title? Has to be a mistake or a possible title change recently. Its hard to imagine they would fabric their title within the same company.. That's like telling your coworkers that you have the nice corner office on the top floor with a view of downtown when they easily see you sit in a cube just outside the 1st floor receptionist. dumb dumb dumb
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Old 12-06-2013, 01:11 PM
 
Location: galaxy far far away
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I worked in a Senior position in a large corporation for quite awhile without a title. The marketing team was putting together a brochure and decided I needed a title. So they gave me one without checking with me or my boss. No one in our company really cared about titles. So I got a new title that hadn't even existed. Yet if I had applied with the OP and he had looked my title up, I would have been "busted" for not having an "official" title like that. Yet I was doing a great job, was well-rewarded annually with bonuses and raises, and would have had recommendations from all who worked with me.

It seems that rather than nitpicking about a title and calling this a "LIE" I would do a deep reference check and ask lots of questions of those who have worked with this person.

I'm not just talking off the top of my head. In the 35 years I've been in business I've interviewed thousands of people and had numerous positions where HR reported to me.

I thought this was going to be a juicy thread!! You know - candidate lied about every job they ever had, hadn't ever worked in any company you could find, wrong social security number, phone goes to a telemarketing bank, address is an empty lot in a Chicago slum... like that.... I'm just listing those because I have seen every one of them. One of my applicants at one point also turned out to work for one of those secret three letter agencies and was looking for a 'cover' job. That was scary!

Just sayin' that a title infraction is so minor as to not even qualify as a "lie." I agree with another poster, though, who said the cavalier response would raise a red flag and make me do a little deeper checking. But so many people are getting BAD advice on the internet and from friends about how to do a Resume that rocks, I'm not surprised that job inflation is occurring everywhere.

At the end of the day the only questions are: 1) Does he fit here? 2) Can he produce the results that we need?
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