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Old 12-13-2013, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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But on a real note more related to this thread, all colleges have Career Services. I have been planning to stop by this week to see if they would help me write my resume, actually, because I plan on actually applying for more "professional" jobs for next semester. I wonder if they will help a lot, I'll write back if they do.

And in high school, I had to write a resume in Junior year as part of an assignment. I was in the Honors class, and none of us knew what we were doing. We were told that there needed to be bullet points, have a heading with an address, phone number, and name at the top, and it could be no longer than a page. What was important was experience, education, and accomplishments. Literally everyone in my class, and yes including myself, had the teacher pretty much compose it, since she said our sentences were too lengthy or yada yada.
I don't remember having much of one in high school from 2001/2-2004/5. I did take college courses where I learned that though. The issue is if you ask two resume experts, you can get different responses. The two teachers I had different views. I use the later one because she had more of a recent knowledge and also mentioned about action words and awards while in the positions.
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Old 12-13-2013, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Florida
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[quote=spencgr;32553129]I am a hiring manager, and if you are applying for one of my jobs, your resume does matter. I've seen resumes with great credentials that I've immediately thrown in the trash due to spelling or grammar errors.



Which is absolutely hilarious to me because just about every other job posting out there is full of.....grammar and spelling errors. You HR people are a joke. Expect every applicant to be the golden child while you cant even take the time to spell check your own postings.

And Id love for you to tell the owner that you threw away amazing candidates resumes who could have helped to grow the business and increase his net worth, because they had typos. Guess what, even CEO's send out emails constantly with bad grammar. This is the perfect reason why companies are nothing but stagnant bureaucratic wastelands, because of HR.
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Old 12-13-2013, 03:21 PM
 
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not only that , but have you seen how some people dress for interviews as well ? I mean some of the young women that go in are in a white blouse with a colored bra and not buttoned up showing big boobs and skirts so high you can see their undies . I mean my god , do they actually think someone will take them seriously and think they really want the job or on the hunt for a man ...Ugh !!! and then there are the young men with pants down around their ankles and showing underwear and cannot fill out an application because they dont have a pen LOL ....
Photo pro thats an amazing accomplishment.

Phoneldy - wow your comments remind me of some jobs i applied to fresh out of college. I always wore a black pencil skirt or slacks with a button down, a black blazer and black heels for interviews. One time I showed up and my interviewer was wearing a loose, raggedy scoop neck shirt and the outline of her saggy boobs showed through. It was so inappropriate! I was majorly uncomfortable! Needless to say, I ended up accepting a job with a different company!
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Old 12-13-2013, 03:23 PM
 
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I am a hiring manager, and if you are applying for one of my jobs, your resume does matter. I've seen resumes with great credentials that I've immediately thrown in the trash due to spelling or grammar errors.



Which is absolutely hilarious to me because just about every other job posting out there is full of.....grammar and spelling errors. You HR people are a joke. Expect every applicant to be the golden child while you cant even take the time to spell check your own postings.

And Id love for you to tell the owner that you threw away amazing candidates resumes who could have helped to grow the business and increase his net worth, because they had typos. Guess what, even CEO's send out emails constantly with bad grammar. This is the perfect reason why companies are nothing but stagnant bureaucratic wastelands, because of HR.
Uh....blarp!
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Old 12-13-2013, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Western Washington
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I am a hiring manager, and if you are applying for one of my jobs, your resume does matter. I've seen resumes with great credentials that I've immediately thrown in the trash due to spelling or grammar errors.


Which is absolutely hilarious to me because just about every other job posting out there is full of.....grammar and spelling errors. You HR people are a joke. Expect every applicant to be the golden child while you cant even take the time to spell check your own postings.

And Id love for you to tell the owner that you threw away amazing candidates resumes who could have helped to grow the business and increase his net worth, because they had typos. Guess what, even CEO's send out emails constantly with bad grammar. This is the perfect reason why companies are nothing but stagnant bureaucratic wastelands, because of HR.
Spencer is a hiring manager, not HR. Your venomous comments are misdirected.

Please cite any evidence that any amazing candidates have had resumes discarded. Sloppy resumes usually indicate sloppy candidates/employees.

I won't discard resumes for a minor grammatical error, but it certainly doesn't help the applicant.
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Old 12-13-2013, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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But what if you never been nor want to be in a leadership position?
Why should that he held against you?
So that means nobody should every put any of their accomplishments or experience on a resume, then, unless it's something that everybody can do and has done?

Anna Nemous
123 Any Street
Anytown, USA 12345

Experience: Breathing.

Education: Yes.

Special skills: It wouldn't be fair for me to tell you.


Yeah, that's going to get someone hired.
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Old 12-14-2013, 10:55 AM
 
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But most people refuse to have a professional write it.
I once hired a "professional" to write my resume. He did a horrible job. I paid him half...
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Old 12-14-2013, 11:42 AM
 
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I once hired a "professional" to write my resume. He did a horrible job. I paid him half...
Because one professional resume writer did a poor job, having them help you with your resume is a dumb idea?

(FYI: I don't think that anyone should have a professional resume writer do the whole job themselves. I always say you should write it and then get professional help to improve it.)
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Old 12-14-2013, 11:48 AM
 
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Disclaimer: I am not a recruiter, HR rep, or Hiring Manager.

I am part of an email list that occasional posts jobs and shares resumes for people looking for work in my industry. I am a mid level design professional, and am not any type of hiring manager, but I get to see many other people's resumes through this email list. I also have seen many others' resumes through work when we were making additions to the team, as well as various acquaintances' resumes from various channels. There is one common theme.

They are all terrible...

I feel that as if everything that I've learned about proper resume writing has been wiped off the map and apparently doesn't matter anymore. Things like proper grammar, succinct information, proper formatting, neatness, etc. etc., no one seems to care about it anymore. As someone that takes great care in putting together a very nice resume for each position, I'm beginning to feel my time is wasted as my success rate is not astonishing, but the effort I put into the resumes is very high. It's upsetting to see such horrible resumes being accepted by companies. Let me share some examples of the common resume gaffs I typically see that A LOT OF PEOPLE do.

1. Long resumes
- Just a couple weeks ago, there was a resume of a guy who had an 8 page resume. 8 PAGES..... He pretty much described every position with 2-3 paragraphs of description (written style, not bullet points), and the formatting was awful. His resume was a mess of different font types, styles, and sizes. This guy was only a senior level designer as well, but even if he had 20 years of experience you don't need more than 3 pages max. I couldn't believe it, how this guy would ever get hired, but yet this guy had a respectable work history.

2. Grammatical errors
- ughhh, come on people, spell check and proofread. Yes, I see many resumes with typos, and it seems to be more and more acceptable. One resume I saw a couple months ago probably had around 20 typos... was this guy drunk when making his resume? Another guy spelled his name wrong (it was in two different places on the resume spelled differently), yet another guy spelled the state he lived in wrong. Minor punctuation errors might be ok to overlook (depending on if you're an english nazi or not), but you wouldn't believe just how many people have resumes with lots of words spelled terribly wrong. Very sad.

3. Absolutely crap formatting
- the person's name and address is randomly floating somewhere at the top, a phone number is placed off center in a corner, paragraphs aren't aligned and text is all over the place. So many resumes have no sense of space or format, rather just snippets of text randomly placed over the pages. You would think that designers and artists (whom most of the resumes I view are from) would take care with this kind of stuff.

4. Inconsistent styling
- a minor point, but still one that lends to the overall look of your resume. I see so many resumes that will use inconsistent text style options. Like using one font in one area, and another font in the next, then back to the first font. Or bolding a certain part of your resume, like a job title, but not bolding it for the next job entry. Or using different size fonts.... sadly I see different sized fonts, I'm talking about one paragraph being like size 10 font, and the next size 11, not just something like a job title or header being bigger font.

5. Including personal information
- no, just no. This is stuff like including a picture of yourself, or your hobbies, or other tidbits of information like church goer and father of four, or single mom who knows how to dance, or avid basketball and football player. STOP, why the hell do you think your hobbies are going to qualify you for the job. Sadly, lots of people do this.

And what happens in the end? These people get jobs because their resumes are being shared on a private "hidden market" email list and at the end of the day it's more about word of mouth references than who can put together a proper resume.

Anyone else have any stories about terrible resumes they have seen? I still can't believe the 8 page one...
I wouldn't assume all these people are really interested in getting a job. Some are likely just satisfying their unemployment office's requirement that they be looking for a job.

They can "prove" they're trying yet know they won't be given the job.

In fact a close relative was doing this back when the state he lives in had many unemployment tiers. In order to get the maximum paid "vacation", he had to pretend he was looking for a job. In reality he enjoyed 2 Florida vacations that winter, laying on the beach and hanging out at casinos and nightclubs.
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Old 12-14-2013, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Tempe, AZ
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I don't remember having much of one in high school from 2001/2-2004/5. I did take college courses where I learned that though. The issue is if you ask two resume experts, you can get different responses. The two teachers I had different views. I use the later one because she had more of a recent knowledge and also mentioned about action words and awards while in the positions.
Maybe the resume assignment is a new thing? I was a junior in 2011-2012. Everyone else near my area in high school had to do this as well. But like I said, it pretty much fell on deaf ears. All of us were better off writing research papers than writing anything in a "business" style, including a resume. It's pretty unfortunate how the education system is better off preparing students than workers, and they are not even good at producing students. From pretty much everyone I know, those who know how to do well in the business world had to learn it from a job, definitely not from school.

As far as I'm concerned, my university has a class called "Business Writing" which I tried to enroll into for next semester, but unfortunately you have to have a Junior standing to take it. Imagine if that was offered as much as a year earlier to students, so those skills can be better applied to students internships, which arguably is one of the most important things for a college student (including maybe a good resume? I'm not too sure what exactly is taught in this course). Resume writing/internships/etc. are taken to Career Services, which a lot of college students fail to take advantage of because they want to party, relax, sleep, etc.
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