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Old 12-18-2013, 08:48 PM
 
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Thanks. I haven't accepted it. I have to let all of the information presented in the day soak in and look over the insurance package more in depth. Also, I have another interview at another company on Friday. The position is for a Application Engineer
To all the people out there complaining about not being able to find a job, do you see what an actual degree that gives you an in demand skill gets you?

An actual job!

I was in a similar position not too long ago. I had just accepted a new job and companies were literally hounding me to go work for them! This one company kept calling every day for like two weeks straight!


Skills = JOB = INCOME = MONEY

USELESS DEGREE + NO SKILLS = NO JOB = NO INCOME = NO MONEY = YOU GO OCCUPY WALL STREET! Any questions?
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Old 12-18-2013, 08:55 PM
 
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To all the people out there complaining about not being able to find a job, do you see what an actual degree that gives you an in demand skill gets you?

An actual job!

I was in a similar position not too long ago. I had just accepted a new job and companies were literally hounding me to go work for them! This one company kept calling every day for like two weeks straight!


Skills = JOB = INCOME = MONEY

USELESS DEGREE + NO SKILLS = NO JOB = NO INCOME = NO MONEY = YOU GO OCCUPY WALL STREET! Any questions?
It's hard as hell to break into the controls field without any experience. I am glad they are willing to take a chance on me for me to show them what I am capable of. Also, I have gotten calls from recruiters for the same position title, and I got the same rejection every time, "your resume looks good but you don't have XX experience in PLC's."
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Old 12-19-2013, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Wicker Park, Chicago
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Yeah, lucky break you got... I took a class in PLCs but never got hired to do it. They all want PLC experience, not a newbie.
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Old 12-19-2013, 02:29 PM
 
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It's hard as hell to break into the controls field without any experience. I am glad they are willing to take a chance on me for me to show them what I am capable of. Also, I have gotten calls from recruiters for the same position title, and I got the same rejection every time, "your resume looks good but you don't have XX experience in PLC's."
I really don't understand that mentality. Anyone who finished a BSEE can learn PLC programming. You even told them you have experience with ladder logic programming. I don't know how hard they think it would be for you to pick it up in a short amount of time, and possibly getting better at it than people who have been doing it for years. Employers seem hell-bent on making their openings incredibly specific and probably eliminating some of their best candidates in the process. This is like attempting to hire a chef and saying, "must be familiar with making Crepes Suzette on the Viking VGCC5606 range."
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Old 12-19-2013, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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I really don't understand that mentality. Anyone who finished a BSEE can learn PLC programming. You even told them you have experience with ladder logic programming. I don't know how hard they think it would be for you to pick it up in a short amount of time, and possibly getting better at it than people who have been doing it for years.
I agree. If you have the engineering degree, you can learn more skills as your career develops. This has been my own personal experience as my engineering career has progressed.

There are plenty of skills I've learned since I started in my career. I've spent countless hours in various training courses for CFD, advanced CAD, G-code, PLC, electronics, etc. if the company is large enough, they sometimes have training built into a yearly budget. Wouldn't hurt to ask if they would foot the bill on a PLC course or two.
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Old 12-19-2013, 08:37 PM
 
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Riddle me this. What is usual starting salary for an entry level position as a comtrl engineer in Chicago? When I was told the salary I felt I was being low balled.
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Old 12-20-2013, 03:52 AM
 
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According to this site, somewhere around $54k?

Electrical Controls Engineer I Salaries in Chicago, IL | Salary.com
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Old 12-21-2013, 10:52 AM
 
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According to this site, somewhere around $54k?

Electrical Controls Engineer I Salaries in Chicago, IL | Salary.com
This is possibly a little low. I would negotiate, first tell them what average pay for BSEE grads from your school are(your school should have the stats on their website). Then argue the starting pay from an industry wide standpoint. I would negotiate by email, not phone.
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Old 12-21-2013, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Maine
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To all the people out there complaining about not being able to find a job, do you see what an actual degree that gives you an in demand skill gets you?

An actual job!

I was in a similar position not too long ago. I had just accepted a new job and companies were literally hounding me to go work for them! This one company kept calling every day for like two weeks straight!


Skills = JOB = INCOME = MONEY

USELESS DEGREE + NO SKILLS = NO JOB = NO INCOME = NO MONEY = YOU GO OCCUPY WALL STREET! Any questions?
I have a very useful degree. Or, at least I think I do. I should be getting my BS in Computer Information Systems this month. Yet, I'm being turned down time after time for even basic help desk jobs that require only a high school education. The irony is that in my state, we have this foolish program called Project Login that's trying to double the number of CS grads over the next four or so years. We're being told that there's a shortage of IT people and those of us majoring is CS, CIS, MIS, IT, and SE are in high demand. I'm telling you, I just don't see it.
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