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Old 01-11-2014, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Princeton
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Your career path may not required you to have a Secret / TS / SCI Full scope, poly Clearance, But, if you lie about anything on your resume, it will come back to bite you in the ass one day. Don't do it, it's better building your contacts through your hard net working efforts, because at the end of the day, your Integrity cost you nothing, lying might cost you everything.
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Old 01-11-2014, 09:14 PM
 
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Your career path may not required you to have a Secret / TS / SCI Full scope, poly Clearance, But, if you lie about anything on your resume, it will come back to bite you in the ass one day. Don't do it, it's better building your contacts through your hard net working efforts, because at the end of the day, your Integrity cost you nothing, lying might cost you everything.
Being honest might cost you everything (i.e. you'll run through your savings and lose your house) if you can't get another job.

Let me add that lying would definitely be a last resort. It's something I would do if after several months of job searching, honesty just wasn't working out.
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Old 01-11-2014, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Chicago area
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So you meet the qualifications listed for the job, but want them to lower their stanards anyway? Or you personally feel you are qualified, but don't actually meet the listed qualifications and you feel that is unfair?
A lot of people who have job hunted lately have noticed the qualifications required for jobs have been inflated often to ridiculous portions even to the point where people currently working for companies have submitted their information for their own jobs and been deemed not qualified. I have seen it frequently with my profession to the point of employers requiring experience on specific instrument make and models with specific software and specific analyses which is frankly BS.

The hiring process has become an absolute circus of HR psychobabble and bigotry, ridiculous qualifications, and deplorable tactics and manners by hiring officials. At this point one has to do what one has to navigate through it. Just be sure to understand what you can likely get away with and what you cannot. You cannot fake degrees or jobs at existing companies, but salary history (likely) and references (easy TV/radio pitchmen do this all the time they hire people off the street to say great things about their products on commercials), and fake jobs at defunct companies possibly to cover gaps.

As for releasing negative information. If it can be demonstrated it is false one can sue for defamation, though most companies have policies not to release any information beyond titles and dates of employment as it is a shrewd way to minimize exposure to potential lawsuits. After all, what does the company gain by bad-mouthing someone (nothing) but they run the risk of a legal confrontation and whether or not they win they will expend money dealing with it.
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Old 01-11-2014, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Princeton
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Life is about choices, honesty is a virtue and a value. - END GAME-
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Old 01-11-2014, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Chicago area
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Life is about choices, honesty is a virtue and a value. - END GAME-
And unfortunately there is little room for values and virtue in the business world today.
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Old 01-11-2014, 09:34 PM
 
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Being honest might cost you everything (i.e. you'll run through your savings and lose your house) if you can't get another job.

Let me add that lying would definitely be a last resort. It's something I would do if after several months of job searching, honesty just wasn't working out.
An alternate to lying or being unemployed is becoming employable. It's not that hard to network and/or pick up useful skills.
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Old 01-11-2014, 09:36 PM
 
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Being honest might cost you everything (i.e. you'll run through your savings and lose your house) if you can't get another job.

Let me add that lying would definitely be a last resort. It's something I would do if after several months of job searching, honesty just wasn't working out.
As this thread has shown and your post have shown, a lot of it depends of whether your morality is comparative, situational, or constant.
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Old 01-11-2014, 09:39 PM
 
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Not just references. There is a lot to be said about inflating or even lying about your qualifications.

When my company hired me, they actually hired 2 of us to help with the current big project. The other guy's resume and interview were an absolute glow. I've been told that he came a lot more highly recommended than me. Yet, just a few weeks after we started working, he came in one Monday morning and was escorted out. Turned out he didn't know how to do half the things he claimed to know.

The moral of the story is while you can get away with fake references, you're not going to get away with fake qualifications. Especially in a technical field such as engineering or software development.
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Old 01-12-2014, 03:51 AM
 
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It's not ridiculous. For example, we have reports made up of over 200 lines of code. My standard programming test question is to fill in the last blank of a 3 line code sample. You have unlimited time and 3 chances. If a person can't handle 3 lines of code, they will not be able to handle 200+ lines of code.

The person should not put those lines on their resume. They will admit the lie. One guy said he hadn't done any programming in a long time.

I put the truth on my resume. When the hiring manager questions my experience on the resume, I am able to answer each point without hesitation. I don't have to stall for time or hesitate, because I misrepresent myself. You know what, it works. I accepted a new job for a higher level position, last month.
It worked for you. Millions of Americans want work. Millions of jobs are still unfilled.
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Old 01-12-2014, 04:32 AM
 
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Not just references. There is a lot to be said about inflating or even lying about your qualifications.

When my company hired me, they actually hired 2 of us to help with the current big project. The other guy's resume and interview were an absolute glow. I've been told that he came a lot more highly recommended than me. Yet, just a few weeks after we started working, he came in one Monday morning and was escorted out. Turned out he didn't know how to do half the things he claimed to know.

The moral of the story is while you can get away with fake references, you're not going to get away with fake qualifications. Especially in a technical field such as engineering or software development.
Great post, rosie_hair. It's one thing to say that you have 10 years experience in software development at a Fortune 500 company. It's a completely different story to actually perform.

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