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Old 06-27-2014, 10:27 PM
 
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Old 06-27-2014, 11:01 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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before welfare we didn't have an immigration problem...
why would anyone work their finger to the bone, when they can get as much or money for watching TV
Um didn't this problem exist with the Great Depression in the thirties and into the war? FYI, there was even a small recession in 45/6 after the war ended. Welfare didn't exist until the middle of the depression. And the only thing to get us out was the war which economists claim does not end recessions and depressions.

The while immigration is partial issue. The larger issue is there is a large supply of workers with a little demand whether it is because of costs, situation or redundancy.
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Old 06-28-2014, 07:30 AM
 
Location: USA
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When so many young Americans complain their is no jobs for them, apparently they are right, if they live in an area of lots of immigration both legal and illegal.

Study: All Employment Growth Since 2000 Went to Immigrants | National Review Online
IMO, those who defend the flow of uneducated immigrants into this country are primarily hoping the decline exacerbated by our esteemed leaders will continue and prior leaders to our current folly are included.
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Old 06-28-2014, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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They work harder for less pay, is that the problem? I see that as strong competition.

Young Americans born here need to understand the competition and reassess their strategy to get the job. Also, so many young Americans think they are too good for jobs (IMO), they can just live at home until their 40.
Spoken like someone who has no first hand experience. The companies that hire illegals will want workers who work like animals for peanuts. They rely on the illegal to refer friends, relatives, etc. so pretty soon you have a workforce that is primarily Spanish speaking, will work crazy schedules, with no additional breaks except for lunch, often in searing heat. Safety equipment is rarely provided, and workers are expected to risk life and limb and not complain.

When an American citizen gets a job there, he can't communicate with his coworkers unless he is bilingual, will have to accept the lower wages that the illegals have settled for, and not be protected against working in unsafe, brutal conditions. So when the American citizen won't do that job under those conditions, for that pittance of a paycheck, he thinks he is too good for the job? The illegals are poisoning the well for themselves as well as others. The only ones making out like bandits are the companies hiring them.
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Old 06-28-2014, 11:08 AM
 
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"The companies that hire illegals will want workers who work like animals for peanuts. They rely on the illegal to refer friends, relatives, etc. so pretty soon you have a workforce that is primarily Spanish speaking, will work crazy schedules, with no additional breaks except for lunch, often in searing heat. Safety equipment is rarely provided, and workers are expected to risk life and limb and not complain. "

I wouldn't assume that all illegals are spanish speaking. There's other illegal aliens. Will work crazy schedules? Well frankly not all jobs are 8 to 5 with weekends off. I know firefighters that might work 10 days in a row and then four off. I know police officers on call most of their life. Retail is all over the place. So is the issue the employers or the illegals?

"When an American citizen gets a job there, he can't communicate with his coworkers unless he is bilingual, will have to accept the lower wages that the illegals have settled for, and not be protected against working in unsafe, brutal conditions. So when the American citizen won't do that job under those conditions, for that pittance of a paycheck, he thinks he is too good for the job? The illegals are poisoning the well for themselves as well as others. The only ones making out like bandits are the companies hiring them."

I'm not sure where "there" is. I'd recommend the book Reefer Madness as it illustrates that much of the farmwork frankly cannot realistically be paid as a legal job. Strawberry cultivation for example is not assured and even with technology they still have to be hand picked. If it rains too much they pop. Too little and they dry up so if a rainstorm threatens to make them pop they have to manually get them asap or the crop is ruined.

Meanwhile on the other end there are plenty of jobs in ESL teaching where you pretty much DO have to know English. Heck some give credit just to show up. Rent a White Guy - Mitch Moxley - The Atlantic

It is easy to bash illegal aliens but the options we have are limited. We can either deport them en masse which frankly would give the government the ability to do the same to nearly anyone, legalize them which would then cause them to get laid off and then on social welfare systems (minimum wage, unemployment, health care etc) or leave it as it is.

There are rules in place for government work that mandate checking on the legal status of employees that are working in construction. If it is a 100% private job well that can be up to them.

Personally I think the whole war on drugs is largely key to this. If we continue to decriminalize drugs and provide treatment instead of incarceration then drug lords in other countries frankly would go broke making it a safer environment to conduct businesses in and thus create more jobs in other countries.
https://news.vice.com/article/legal-...exican-cartels
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Old 06-28-2014, 11:29 AM
 
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Also, so many young Americans think they are too good for jobs (IMO), they can just live at home until their 40.
Thats my sil.
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Old 06-28-2014, 11:31 AM
 
Location: SC
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When so many young Americans complain their is no jobs for them, apparently they are right, if they live in an area of lots of immigration both legal and illegal.

Study: All Employment Growth Since 2000 Went to Immigrants | National Review Online
Everybody in the IT world knows that American developers and college grads were "sold down the river" about 15 years ago. And it keeps getting worse. But you gotta feed these perks for senior management somehow.
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Old 06-28-2014, 11:36 AM
 
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They undercut in the construction industry at prices that others cannot compete with because they are living 5-10 to an apartment. Very unfair competition and driving out good people.
That is true here in L.A. I cannot get a decent paying construction position here for that very reason. The foremen complain they can hardly understand the English language and that when roofing they only put 2 nails per shingle to rush the job instead of the 4 nails per shingle that they're supposed to. And yet they hire them for roofing jobs and pay them 8.50 - 9 an hour.
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Old 06-28-2014, 01:06 PM
 
Location: oHIo
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They work harder for less pay, is that the problem? I see that as strong competition.

Young Americans born here need to understand the competition and reassess their strategy to get the job. Also, so many young Americans think they are too good for jobs (IMO), they can just live at home until their 40.
Or live 15 to a two bedroom house, like the illegals do. Buh bye property values, all so some POS business owner can line his pockets with the money he's saved by paying desperate people slave wages.

That is an AWESOME business model
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Old 06-28-2014, 01:14 PM
 
Location: oHIo
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I don't believe illegal immigrants are filling the jobs that require a college degree, a couple internships, and knowledge of various software applications.

If someone is a legal immigrant with the right to work in the US, then it's a fair competition. American workers have to be competitive.

Although, I believe this thread is nothing more than a veiled racist attempt to stir ill feelings toward immigrants.
You need to read up on the H1B phenomena
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