On My 3rd Interview: Employer Asking for Recent Paystub (401k, alternative, applications)
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Won't happen. Once they know you are making 75 they will offer ~82.5k maybe you can push 85. Anything more than a 10-15% bump is an uphill battle.
If you want to have a fair negotiation fine I'll tell you my salary range and you tell me what you have budgeted and what the last person performing the job made. Of course the company will say h#ll no. You give me your salary history right now and we never reveal the salary range for the position.
Well when I'm hiring the discussion generally goes pretty much as you just described minus the part about the last guys salary. I will give a range in general, not solid figures but an honest range (i.e. "The range for this position is in the low 90s"). If I ask what they are currently making its because I don't want to offend them by offering too little. I know not everyone does that.
I do not hold anyone to my " standards " and rightfully do not expect others to hold me to theirs.
Integrity is extremely subjective, if I have learned anything on this earth is that each moral compass points to a different north.
If my co workers are liars, knaves and thieves more power to them, most of the companies I have worked for are absolutely worse than the biggest Ahole on my team.
Until one of those liars throws you under the bus. Then you'll care.
Until one of those liars throws you under the bus. Then you'll care.
Its hard to get framed if youre not in the picture.
I thankfully work in an industry where I am judged on my performance and ONLY my performance, it doesnt matter to me in the least what anybody does on my team, im not responsible for their actions or lives.
Im probably making assumptions here John, but you strike me as the guy in the office/factory who is overly concerned with every ones " output. " The type that wants everyone to " to their share " and give it their all, Im not, Im on the opposite end of the spectrum, Im the type that cares about my individual performance, and if Tom Dick and Harry want to slack off 7.5 hours of the day, its absolutely none of my business.
Could you say that your base is $73K which is what the pay stub will show you and that you will be getting a 15% bonus after completion of project X or in January whatever, making your effective salary $84K for 2015 and that's why you gave them that number - in this case $73K wouldn't have been an accurate representation of your current salary. They can't ask you for something that is to happen in the future, right?
Actually my mother is looking for a job and she tells them her salary is base plus whatever she's been told her bonus will most likely be which is paid out in March.
I wouldn't lie or forge documents. This would be the easiest and most reasonable explanation.
Its hard to get framed if youre not in the picture.
I thankfully work in an industry where I am judged on my performance and ONLY my performance, it doesnt matter to me in the least what anybody does on my team, im not responsible for their actions or lives.
Im probably making assumptions here John, but you strike me as the guy in the office/factory who is overly concerned with every ones " output. " The type that wants everyone to " to their share " and give it their all, Im not, Im on the opposite end of the spectrum, Im the type that cares about my individual performance, and if Tom Dick and Harry want to slack off 7.5 hours of the day, its absolutely none of my business.
Well...since I'm a manager it is part of my job to evaluate my team's performance. Not my favorite part, for sure. I'm far from a micromanager or a clock watcher and believe it's part of my job to look out for my employees as well as the company. A view that my company supports, as it happens. But I will not tolerate dishonesty and if an applicant tries to pull the wool over my eyes in any way, they are not getting hired.
Any company ascinine enough to demand pay-stubs deserves to be lied to. I've had it up to here with the assertion some people constantly make on this forum that as an applicant you have to adhere to some high and absolute moral code while the companies play as dirty as ISIS. They have set the standard that anything you can get away with goes so that is what you should do as well... play by their rules.
Now I'm trying to decide how to proceed, as far as I've researched, here are my options I'm aware of:
1. Deny them the paystub (say something like "salary compensation information is considered confidential by my current employer)
2. Give them the paystub (Justify my salary exaggeration by saying that was with bonuses)
3. Forge the paystub
What is everyone's thoughts?
I vote 1.
Don't do 3! If they find out later, they will fire you
I can't believe I'm the first one to have to say this... If prompted for it in your next meeting.
"Of course I brought my paystub- I hope you brought yours. Let's compare size".
Because being sarcastic is such a good way to get hired.
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