Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Work and Employment > Job Search
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 10-04-2015, 06:14 PM
 
2,563 posts, read 3,681,887 times
Reputation: 3573

Advertisements

I have to agree. Join the military. Get some experience. And when you get out, you have the experience plus the Veterans preference points. That should help. Otherwise, just keep applying.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 10-04-2015, 06:22 PM
 
10,075 posts, read 7,537,898 times
Reputation: 15501
you know, not all vets qualify for the vet preference points right?

I'll support the vets, just don't mislead people into joining thinking they will get the points
Veteran's Preference Points | Military.com
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-04-2015, 10:19 PM
 
12,841 posts, read 9,041,939 times
Reputation: 34899
Ok, several things, in no particular order.

a. Federal jobs are extremely competitive. Applying to two is nothing. Haven't seen any firm statistics, but you can expect to apply to dozens of positions for each "best qualified" and to a hundred for each chance at an interview.
b. Like someone said, be sure to respond exactly as required in the announcement.
c. The Federal resume is not like the private sector resume. It's almost "forget everything you've been told about resumes." Several pages is not uncommon. Consider that they may hire from the resume without ever doing an interview, so it has to tell the story.
d. Be sure to use the key words when describing your experience. If the announcement says "manages XYZ" or uses "ABC software" be sure to describe how you have managed XYZ and used ABC.
e. Make sure your background actually qualifies you for the job. There are a lot of people who apply to every opening out there and just clog up the system because they don't qualify for the job.
f. Be willing to move and search multiple agencies around the country. If you limit yourself to one region, you will be very limited in options.


Also, you might ask this question over on FederalSoup. Everyone over there is a Fed employee and there is a specific forum on getting hired.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-05-2015, 07:06 AM
 
2,563 posts, read 3,681,887 times
Reputation: 3573
Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeb View Post
you know, not all vets qualify for the vet preference points right?

I'll support the vets, just don't mislead people into joining thinking they will get the points
Veteran's Preference Points | Military.com
Sorry about the overgeneralization. I guess it seems like we're always in a way these days. And if we're not, just wait a while. They'll start one.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-09-2015, 10:16 PM
 
18 posts, read 18,224 times
Reputation: 27
This is going to be long, but here goes:

Veteran's preference might help you get hired, emphasis on "might". The biggest advantage it would give you is that you'd be able to apply under Non-Competitive Eligibility (NCE) to some (NOT all) jobs. That doesn't mean they have to hire you or even that they will hire you. It just means that they have the option of hiring you without going through a formal hiring process (posting a job, holding interviews, screening candidates, etc). They can just say "hey we like this person, let's hire him, he's hired."

That said, if you joined the service (Air Force or otherwise), by the time your service is over, you'll no longer be eligible to apply under Pathways because it will have been too long since you graduated. You'd have to go through other channels. And not all federal jobs have NCE.

(This next paragraph is based somewhat on hearsay, since I don't work for the OPM or anything)

Getting a civil service job (through Pathways or through anything else listed on USAJobs) has a lot to do with the way you word your qualifications. Pay attention to the wording used in the job post. Use the same wording in your application materials. It sounds simplistic, but their software works a lot like the HR software used by public-sector corporations. It filters for keywords and sorts applicants into "Best Qualified" "Qualified" and "Not Qualified" based on what's there. If there are, say, 100 people who pop out as "Best Qualified", those are the ones who'll be referred, then they get reviewed, then some get called and everyone else gets the rejection email. Like someone else said, if the posting lists "managed ABC and used XYZ software to do 123", write "managed ABC and used XYZ software to do 123". Don't write "managed effectively and used advanced software to do complicated mathematics" or whatever. Generalizations are not your friend. Be EXTREMELY specific.

(end hearsay)

Also, make sure you carefully read and follow everything in the "How to Apply" section, because if you're eligible as GS-05 or GS-07 based on your education, they're going to require you to submit transcripts. If you don't submit everything they ask for, you won't get a call-back.

And keep in mind that federal hiring is notoriously slow, so expect the hiring process to take, at absolute minimum, 6 months. Realistically probably more like 12-18 months. So this isn't the kind of job you want to apply for and wait for a call-back. My suggestion would be carefully work on your application materials and tailor them to each opening, keep in mind that there's a time limit on your eligibility to be hired under Pathways, apply for federal jobs, and continue a job search in the private-sector as well. Keep government employment as a "Plan B" even if it's what you really want to do. Have a "Plan A" career that will allow you to keep developing experience and earning money in the time that it takes for the government to actually process applications and conduct interviews and do background investigations. For example, if you're applying for a job that requires Top Secret level security, even if you've lived the most squeaky-clean life of all time and have no foreign contacts whatsoever, a TS clearance will take an average of 3-5 months to complete, and that's AFTER they've extended a conditional job offer.

Getting hired as a federal employee is a LONG process, especially if you want to be doing high-level mechanical or aerospace engineering work, which is something that would almost definitely require some amount of security clearance. Basically, you need to be doing something in the meantime, preferably working in engineering somehow. That way if you never manage to get that federal job, you're still doing something you're interested in. And if you DO manage to get a fed job somewhere down the line, you'll be building a resume in your field in case your Pathways eligibility times out and you have to apply to professional-level jobs with grade levels based on work experience rather than degree.

But yeah, absolute best case scenario, start to finish, you'd be starting work in about a year from the time you apply to a given job. Do something else in the meantime.

Oh, and use the USAJobs resume builder. Don't apply to federal jobs with your private-sector resume. This is what a federal resume looks like:

https://www.umuc.edu/students/suppor...ral_Resume.pdf

(The one in this example is four pages long. That's not abnormal for a federal resume)

Last edited by saradiane91; 10-09-2015 at 10:50 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-20-2015, 10:10 AM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
26,527 posts, read 51,758,083 times
Reputation: 31329
Quote:
Originally Posted by scigamerfan07 View Post
"Based on your response to the questionnaire, you were found to be eligible but not among the best qualified.”
Exactly what it means. Keep applying... Or apply for a job in a different field. Getting in can be difficult. But slots open up. My wife is a retire Federal Employee.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Work and Employment > Job Search

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:40 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top