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Old 12-10-2015, 09:27 AM
 
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I'm in the insurance industry. This interview was for a software company who handles the software many insurance companies use to process claims.
Hmm, then they might be hiring some business analyst from offshire who will have no idea of insurance and technology and with 6 years or so exp..

Is your salary expectation too high??
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Old 12-10-2015, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Central IL
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Unfortunately, 8 out of 10 isn't going to cut it in today's competitive job market. Have you received any feedback (positive and/or negative) from any of the interviews? Often times, a candidate can be sending the wrong signals by being over confident they will be the chosen one or they are so afraid of making a mistake they mess the interview up big time.

What industry are you looking in?
Sorry - interviewers don't have time to hand out tips - they're already on to the next position they have to fill.

Maybe the OP can consult with someone who actually TUTORS job applicants - maybe video you in mock interviews being asked tough questions, etc. It will cost some money but might be very enlightening.
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Old 12-10-2015, 10:41 AM
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Location: Memphis, TN
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Well there is no truth here, only opinion. Wait, there is one fact...the op gets interviews, but cant get past the them to get an offer. While anecdotal in nature, it would appear that he meets the qualifications on paper, but in person isn't likable, or completely collapses under questioning. neither trait will endear the OP to a hiring manager. As another person pointed out, if you know what they want, why not just do it? If the OP truly believes in his comments, then they are going to come out in his words, actions and mannerisms. The interviewers will see this and it is a complete turn off to hiring team or manager.
This could be true, yet it may not. It is very presumptive. Statistically speaking, some variables can be controlled more so by the job seeker and others not. It is very possible to miss out quite a bit and not be "unlikable" or "collapse under questioning". This is merely one possibility of many.

On the other hand, if the best you can say about your interview is an "8 out of 10", you have to realize that if you can't even say you nailed it 10 out of 10, then what did the interviewer think? I'm sure somebody else interviewed did nail it 10/10. Depending upon the company, dozens of others may have been interviewed, so the chances are good that somebody was just better. Never stop trying to figure out how you could improve.

And missing out on 4 or so interviews over a few years is just a drop in the bucket to many. I'm not speaking from a high horse. I am also grinding it out to improve my situation.
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Old 12-10-2015, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Southern New Hampshire
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The thread title has been the story of my life.

I had an interview yesterday for a job I really really wanted. Pretty much exactly what I want.

They had me go from 930 to 1pm. Five different interviews, it was pretty intense.

Overall, I was pretty happy with how I did when I left. Solid 8 out of 10.

Already received an email a few hours ago stating I didn't get the job.

I'm SUPER frustrated. This is the 4th or so big interview in the last few years, never get the job. I keep getting jobs I don't really want.

I wasn't very nervous, remained calm and true to myself. I know I got too nervous with prior interviews.

I'm really annoyed with my current job. I've made wise financial decisions, if I really wanted...I could quit, move back to my parents, and figure things out for a long long time. However, I'm 30 and I don't want to do that. And that wouldn't look good resume wise even though its looking more and more appealing.
You're 30 years old and the idea of moving back to your parents' house is APPEALING? Wow.

OP, I feel for you, but you are a grown-up, you're on your own, you have a job -- just keep plugging away. Don't move BACKWARD by moving in with your parents, since you clearly don't HAVE to.

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I'm pretty much lost on how to proceed with my career. Getting a masters isn't very helpful in my line of work. I tried getting a industry license but all the classes are online and books. I miserably failed the test after reading the entire book. I'm an audio learner so I need lectures and they don't offer anything like that.
Sorry, I don't buy the "I failed because I'm an audio learner" excuse. Yes, many people learn BETTER via lectures, but that doesn't mean they CAN'T learn via a book. Clearly you didn't read the book well enough if you "failed miserably." Try again!!
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Old 12-10-2015, 02:00 PM
 
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Write down the exact job that you want like this:

"When my life is ideal, I AM gainfully employed as a ---------------------- making $-------- per year.

God, I want this or something better." (if you don't believe in God, just leave His name off).

Post this on your bathroom mirror and say out loud every morning and every night.

2. Buy yourself a notebook at the dollar store and every night before you go to bed, write down 5 things you're grateful for.

3. Make a vision board. Google that term and see what it is.

Sound like mumble jumble? It's not, it's how I moved from Rochester, NY to Charlotte, NY when I got sick and tired of the dark, the cold and being unemployed for two years and I'm married, so everything had to fall in place for my husband the breadwinner before we could make this move--and it did. I do believe in God and I did do a lot of praying, but LOA is what got things moving.

Something will change.
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Old 12-10-2015, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Flushing, NY
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OP, your situation is frustrating but not unique. In my line of work I've talked with thousands of job seekers.
Quite simply, there is a lot of competition for most jobs out there. And when there's more supply than demand, it also depresses wages. The more you make, higher you are, and more specialized your job, the longer the job search will be. Figure a month for every $10K you make (i.e., someone making $35K should, in general, be able to find something after a few months, someone making $110K may very well take half a year to find work). That's just how the numbers are.

It seems like companies put people through hours and rounds of interview to reject them.. it's not like they're doing it for fun. It takes money to hire, and labor is a huge chunk of a business' expenses. The brutal math of it all is that if there are 100 people going for one position (and on average, there are more), there'll be 99 rejections. Most applicants won't even hear back, there simply isn't the time.

If you can, try to avoid all this applying stuff -- networking/referrals are the key with most jobs. If you most people how they got their jobs, in most cases it's through a person or connection.

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Old 12-10-2015, 02:48 PM
 
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Landing the interview is only the first step in the process. I have been where you are and am where you are now.


Interviewed for some jobs that would have been life changers financially and professionally.


One wrong response and you out.


Employers can do this because there are so many people looking for jobs these days.


I think if we really new the truth about how many applicants are applying to these jobs we would be blown away.


Don't believe me. Check out linked. Many of those jobs show 50+ applicants.


Best thing you can do is keep developing your skillset and do not stop applying for jobs.
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Old 12-10-2015, 03:44 PM
 
Location: East TX
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The thread title has been the story of my life.

I had an interview yesterday for a job I really really wanted. Pretty much exactly what I want. Go find more companies that do this, or hire for this, and apply to them. Even if they are not posting for what it is right now, find out who a hiring manager is in that department and send a letter and a resume letting them know this is what you want to do. Stand Out from the crowd.

They had me go from 930 to 1pm. Five different interviews, it was pretty intense. 3.5 hours for the job you really want is a small investment.

Overall, I was pretty happy with how I did when I left. Solid 8 out of 10. My career opportunity was an interview I thought I failed miserably. Your opinion of the interview does not matter. You aren't hiring.

Already received an email a few hours ago stating I didn't get the job. Contact HR and ask for feedback. Find out what their perception was that made the difference.

I'm SUPER frustrated. This is the 4th or so big interview in the last few years, never get the job. I keep getting jobs I don't really want. Only 4th? That was a good month of interviews when I was looking, not a few years worth. Keep looking.

I wasn't very nervous, remained calm and true to myself. I know I got too nervous with prior interviews.

I'm really annoyed with my current job. I've made wise financial decisions, if I really wanted...I could quit, move back to my parents, and figure things out for a long long time. However, I'm 30 and I don't want to do that. And that wouldn't look good resume wise even though its looking more and more appealing. Most people are annoyed with their jobs or have omething they don't like about them. That is why the employer pays us to return each day. Incidentally, I love my job most days but it took me 20 years of crap and a lot of interviews to get the one I like.

I'm pretty much lost on how to proceed with my career. Getting a masters isn't very helpful in my line of work. I tried getting a industry license but all the classes are online and books. I miserably failed the test after reading the entire book. I'm an audio learner so I need lectures and they don't offer anything like that.
Many professionals agree more school is no longer the answer in today's market with the cost of school being ridiculous. Get into forums and groups that do what you do or are part of your industry and find out what the successful people are doing and then copy them.

Good luck.
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Old 12-10-2015, 04:01 PM
 
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Well there is no truth here, only opinion. Wait, there is one fact...the op gets interviews, but cant get past the them to get an offer. While anecdotal in nature, it would appear that he meets the qualifications on paper, but in person isn't likable, or completely collapses under questioning. neither trait will endear the OP to a hiring manager. As another person pointed out, if you know what they want, why not just do it? If the OP truly believes in his comments, then they are going to come out in his words, actions and mannerisms. The interviewers will see this and it is a complete turn off to hiring team or manager.
But not everyone is unlikable. Not everyone is this imperfect human being that inteviwers shy away from.
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Old 12-10-2015, 05:51 PM
 
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Today in larger cities, if it is a decent job with decent pay there will be anywhere from 100 to 1,000 applicants.

Lets say, only 10% of those applicants, will be anywhere near qualified to fill the position.

Of those they may interview 10 to 15 people (the most qualified on paper).

They will only be able to hire one of those.

OP you said you nailed it 8 out of 10. All that happened, was someone nailed it 10 out of 10 and got the job. Being 8 out of 10 for a good job is not good enough today. It takes 10 out of 10 to get the job (always has).

When you apply for a job, you have to be a salesperson. You have to sell the HM on the idea, you are the best for the job. If you fail to make the sale, you do not get the job.

Lets look at as a salesperson would do, imagine you are making a sales call on the HM. You really are, you are there to sell yourself as the best applicant for the job.

#1: When you meet the HR or HM holding the interview, you have to do as the salesperson does. A big smile, and a firm handshake showing you are happy to be able to take a few minutes of this HM person's time. That first 15 seconds of meeting the HM will either make the HM happy to be interviewing you, or turning them off completely on you and sorry they have to waste any more time on you. As someone back in my Corporate Life, I am speaking with experience and had the same opinion from many other HM over the years. This first impression, is the most important part of the whole interview, and few applicants even realize it. It is just as a salesman that does not make a good first impression, is not going to get the order. Speaking from being a salesman, sales manager, or real estate broker from 1954 till I finally retired.

#2: There is no such thing, as a stupid question or physio babble questions. They are asked, to find how you react, and can handle things thrown at you, that you are not expecting. They show whether you can think on your feet, and solve problems. If you can be thrown clear off by being asked a question of any type you are not expecting, then the HM is going to figure you would do the same, if a sudden problem showed up at work.

#3: Be articulate when answering questions. Don't mumble. This ability to clearly explain your answer, is the difference between getting and not getting the job. This is where so many applicants fall down and do not get the job.

#4: Be excited about the prospect of working there. Don't act like it is just another job you are applying for. This is another place, that most failed applicants lose the job. They really do not appear to want the job, but are just interviewing for it. Or they make the HM feel they would love the job, but know they really will not be qualified for the job.

#5: Don't feel you nailed the interview and did an 8 out of 10 performance as the OP said he felt he did. If you don't feel you did a 10 out of 10 performance, realize you are not getting the job.

#6: No matter how nervous you may feel, or how upset with getting questions you have not practiced, never let the HR or HM interviewer know it. You have to stay acting confident you are the person for the job throughout the interview. Give them the salesman's farewell. At the end of he interview, you have to still be smiling, another firm handshake, and thank them for interviewing you. Let them know how glad you are for having met them.

I have read a lot of posts by applicants that thought they should have gotten the job. They had done well in the interview, but they got really nervous (it shows). Or they had only failed one part in their opinion, when they could not come up with a good answer to a question they had not practiced for. Etc., Etc., Etc. If you do not sell the HR or HM interviewer on you as a person (not just able to do the work) that co-workers will be welcoming into the company because they like you, you are not going to get the job.
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