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Name one generation that has not complained about the one younger than themselves...
You are not being fair. If we are giving the harsh truth...look at the sh*tstorm you boomers/gen Xers have made out of the economy! It is your mess us millenials will have to clean up. Really, thanks for that.
I could say that...or I could stop talking in age-based generalizations, right?
My point is that you are facing global competition and that just looking at the facts in many studies you are loosing.Look at the standing in so many fields of study and you will see just where the present generation stands in realtion to their competition in the world.I am not talking all but the numbers that matter. Just research our standing in the maths and sciences alone.PBS just had a program about the number of boomers in these fields that are getting ready to retire with only replacements coming from abroad.Its no case of offshore in these fields; but importing the thing that has changed the world for the last century.There are alot of smart peole inthsi country but fewer and fewer actually getting to that level.
My point is that you are facing global competition and that just looking at the facts in many studies you are loosing.Look at the standing in so many fields of study and you will see just where the present generation stands in realtion to their competition in the world.I am not talking all but the numbers that matter. Just research our standing in the maths and sciences alone.PBS just had a program about the number of boomers in these fields that are getting ready to retire with only replacements coming from abroad.Its no case of offshore in these fields; but importing the thing that has changed the world for the last century.There are alot of smart peole inthsi country but fewer and fewer actually getting to that level.
I understand completely, and you are correct. I am growing up in a global society, my parents did not. That means our situations are inherantly different.
I think you missed my point...every generation has problems, and if I were you I would hesitate to criticize people under 27 when older generations have plenty of problems of their own.
There are plenty of folks under 27 who are mature enough - finding them seems to be hard. We hired 2 20 somethings this summer. One worked 1 day, was off for 1.5, showed up after lunch and looked at Victoria's Secret all day then left and returned on Monday. Why? "____ invited me to NY and I couldn't pass it up". No calls, no emails, no nothing. Woops, no job either.
The other came in kicking butt then quickly fell into office politics. She gave me hell because I'm in a relationship with the director of the facility. Big deal, she doesn't sign my paperwork and isn't my boss, we're lateral positions. I told her to mind her own business. Oh no, she had to get the other staff riled up over that. She was doing so well but couldn't let this go. Then she contacted my boss about how she'd do things differently. I would have entertained an email from her but she skipped over 4 layers of management. With layoffs coming she'll probably be on the list. I keep telling her to not worry about what the person across from her is doing. I even moved her into her own office so she can work w/o distraction, that hasn't worked.
I don't buy the 5 8 hour day crap either. For some, yes. For IT? No. It's hard to migrate a server or update routers/switches when 200 people are trying to work. We're supposed to be on 5 8s but I set my own schedule.
I feel its important to have a right mix of people in the team. The bank I am with right now has about 75% staff over 50. Giving due respect to age and invaluable experience, many things could have been done to the process, provided they had a few specific skills.
I am 26, manager and with in the first 6 weeks of joining I could automate a few things which led to 12hrs reduction in man power in single day. Simple changes you know, not complicated ones.
I graduated from London School of Economics and get paid far higher than my 50 year old colleagues (which they resent and I had/still have difficult time)..
So, i think its the matter of finding the right person to the right role will fix quite a lot of problems.
Age discrimination is largely llegal, with a few exceptions provided by law, ie no drinking under 21, etc. Discrimination in employment for those over the age of 40 is prohibited in the Age Discrimination Employment Act of 1967. I'm not sure about having a minimum age though.
An employer cannot legally deny anyone employment solely based on their age. It is illegal for them to even ask. However, it would be really hard for someone to prove that they were not hired, or fired, simply because of their age. Most employers get around the age discrimination issue by saying that they are looking for someone with say, ten years experience; which is a legal way of saying No one under the age of X need apply. Of course, they probably just want the experience, anyways.
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If I'm not qualified for a job, I'm not qualified for a job. However, I do NOT want to be judged and denied opportunities simply because I was born in 1987 and happen to be part of some artificially constructed social grouping.
Don't know what to tell you; this is life. As much as it sucks, you will always be discriminated against in one way or another simply because of your age. When I was twenty I said the same thing. I hated the fact that because of my age I was lumped into a generation that was seen as lazy. The only thing that I could do was to prove everybody wrong. Now I am 34 and back in college. And even though I am a stellar student I do not qualify for many scholarships simply because of my age. Talk about a lame situation .
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They also allow me a great deal of independence and some flexibility...I am considering passing up a lot more money just because I know how rare it is.
I'm 30....
I know what you mean. I stayed with one employer for four years because while even though the pay sucked (but the higher-ups and owners made serious bank) the 'benefits' far outweighed working for someone else for more pay. I only left this job because I moved out of state.
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Never have I met harder working people in my life
But, you are only twenty. As you gain experience, and years, your opinion of this situation will change.
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A friend of mine was telling me about this "-isms" discussion her work had and one month the "ism" was ageism. Basically all the older people she works with had all sorts of nasty things to say about the younger staffers. I was pretty pissed about some of the things said. It was basically just older people complaining about the young.
The old will always complain about the young. You more than likely will do it too when you are older and see all of these young people coming in willing to do your job for less pay. It's a threat.
Everyone is looking for something different at work. One of my instructors was brought into Sun Microsystems to determine why they had such a high turnover rate. What she found was that many of the former latch key kids were looking for a place to call home. She told the CEO that what they needed to do was put in a gym, a place to play video games and relax, put in a basketball court and other things that would make it feel more like home. They let the employees take time to do other things and guess what, they stayed all the time. Sun went from a 70% turnover rate to a 2% turnover rate.
These new kids that are entering the work force also have needs. They need a little structure. As the article stated, give them some boundaries and they will produce. Let them know in the beggining what is expected and let them do there thing. Encorage them and build them up and chances are these employees will be very successfull.
Honestly I look at things like these. I look at places like Google, EA and think about how much fun it would be to work there because of the campuses. Of course they trick you and even with the swimming pools,automatic 2 weeks off,video game lounge,etc it's still work. I don't like the work part. Far to ADHD for the work portion. Unless it's a place where I can work when ever I feel like it and play video games while I am considering working. Then sign me up.
Age discrimination is largely llegal, with a few exceptions provided by law, ie no drinking under 21, etc. Discrimination in employment for those over the age of 40 is prohibited in the Age Discrimination Employment Act of 1967. I'm not sure about having a minimum age though.
Great, another socialist demagogue willing to hold a gun to an employer's head...
All employment agreements must be 100% voluntary on both sides. Government intervention constitutes slavery.
Have not read the article yet. Still need to get the DMN in the yard
In the past year alone we have had two new employees that have gotten pulled over for a basic commercial vehicle inspection and gotten ARRESTED due to outstanding warrants. Thank goodness both times they had only been there about a week or two and were simply riding w/ someone learning the ropes still. It really is starting to show the way that the parents overprotected these kids that being a "helicopter parent" was NOT in the best interest of their child to be a productive member of society.
I HIGHLY DOUBT you can blame helicopter parenting for kids having outstanding warrants -- more than likely, it is quite the opposite (parents who let kids raise themselves b/c they are busy working, chasing after their own interests, etc.)! Plus I think kids are highly distracted these days with text messaging, video games, etc. -- they lack the attention span and expect instant gratification. Its the way they've been conditioned.
My company is verrrry young... our president/CEO is 31 and there are maybe 5 people working here (out of around 60) that are over the age of 30. It's kind of nice because all the employees here are on the same 'wavelength' if you will, and we like to go out and party, drink a couple of beers etc etc together, which is nice. We also know when to work, as our company is profiting in the millions even WITH all the goofing off. Just goes to show you, age doesn't matter as much as getting the right people for the right job.
My company is verrrry young... our president/CEO is 31 and there are maybe 5 people working here (out of around 60) that are over the age of 30. It's kind of nice because all the employees here are on the same 'wavelength' if you will, and we like to go out and party, drink a couple of beers etc etc together, which is nice. We also know when to work, as our company is profiting in the millions even WITH all the goofing off. Just goes to show you, age doesn't matter as much as getting the right people for the right job.
Yeah, that is nice, but the funny thing is that is the same reason that older employers like to hire older employees. But of course when that happens all of you young'ens cry foul. How much goofing off at work has nothing to do with age as it has everything to with the type of work environment at hand. The employer that I mentioned in the post above had tons of goofing off, and out of twenty employees I was one of the youngest. The company brought in millions as well so I guess that with all of our goofing off, after work beers, among other things, that we also knew when to get the job done because we helped make this place millions annually as well.
Twenty-somethings do not have the market on fun cornered. And you know what, you will one day be old, too. Ha HA!
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