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Old 08-18-2016, 07:14 AM
 
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There are no laws against a company giving out detailed info on a previous employee. How many times do we have to debate this non issue. Some companies may not, but certainly none of the places I've ever worked for had such a policy. If it's true, it's fair game to list why you were not a good fit. Good luck threatening a lawsuit for your shortcomings.

Anyways as alluded to above there are many ways to weed out a candidate. Just list the best person you can think of and go from there.

On a side note don't know why the OP wrote to the VP to try and explain what they did wrong. Made things worse IMO.

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Old 08-18-2016, 07:25 AM
 
Location: HoCo, MD
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Thanks, I didn't know that. But I heard from many different people from other states/different companies that their companies have similar rules.

So OP should find out, maybe his previous company has the same policy too.
There are two general types of references. What you described is typically done for general reference checks. Where the respondent is probably representing your past employer. The information is typically gleaned from the work history section of your application.

There are also personal references - that separate piece of paper you provide upon request with 3-5 individuals, where the respondent is essentially representing him/herself as the applicant's colleague/mentor/staff (they themselves may have moved on to another company). Certainly if the OP's prospective employer is asking for a personal/professional reference, you wouldn't want to use someone you don't know or don't trust. In fact, these references should already have been lined up. Meaning they should know you are looking and have agreed to be a professional reference.
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Old 08-18-2016, 07:50 AM
 
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Find a good trusted friend, list him/her as a former colleague. When they call, they can pretend you were the greatest co-worker ever. The calls I've received on other folks were very high level "How is he as a co-worker, tell me about his strengths, yadda yadda".

Create a Google Voice account, make up a name and list that as their phone number. Call them back with a different voice and say you were your supervisor.

Bottom line, do what you have to do.
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Old 08-18-2016, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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Thanks, I didn't know that. But I heard from many different people from other states/different companies that their companies have similar rules.

So OP should find out, maybe his previous company has the same policy too.
I'm in Austin, TX and that's been the policy with my former and current company. However there's a "gotcha".... very often the prospective employer asks the former if they would rehire you.
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Old 08-18-2016, 08:44 AM
 
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Find a good trusted friend, list him/her as a former colleague. When they call, they can pretend you were the greatest co-worker ever. The calls I've received on other folks were very high level "How is he as a co-worker, tell me about his strengths, yadda yadda".

Create a Google Voice account, make up a name and list that as their phone number. Call them back with a different voice and say you were your supervisor.

Bottom line, do what you have to do.
Do not take this person's advice! If you future employer ever suspects this, you will be dropped on the spot. If you get hired and they find out you lied, you will be fired on the spot, for cause!

Try these types of antics, you have no credibility what-so-ever.
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Old 08-18-2016, 09:12 AM
 
Location: todo el mundo!!
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Now I am kind of in a bind as when I am looking for a new job and after passing 2nd round interviews I get asked for references..... There is no way I am putting the office manager's contact info because I believe we hated each others guts. What do I do???.
use your mom
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Old 08-18-2016, 09:53 AM
 
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Do not take this person's advice! If you future employer ever suspects this, you will be dropped on the spot. If you get hired and they find out you lied, you will be fired on the spot, for cause!

Try these types of antics, you have no credibility what-so-ever.
How would they suspect you? A lot of bigger firms farm this sort of work out anyway so it's not even a call from the prospective company.

And....SO WHAT?!? You're unemployed anyway, you either get the job or you don't. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
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Old 08-18-2016, 10:02 AM
 
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How would they suspect you? A lot of bigger firms farm this sort of work out anyway so it's not even a call from the prospective company.

And....SO WHAT?!? You're unemployed anyway, you either get the job or you don't. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
Based on your advice and response, I assuming lying is the only way for some people to obtain employment.
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Old 08-18-2016, 10:14 AM
 
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It's called burning bridges for a reason. Why would try to cross a bridge you've burnt?
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Old 08-18-2016, 12:25 PM
 
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Based on your advice and response, I assuming lying is the only way for some people to obtain employment.
Yes, lying is the "only way."

Why bother if you're going to post something so pointless??
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