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Old 05-23-2017, 08:31 AM
 
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I appreciate the feedback. As a former manager, would you hire someone who has an incomplete resume with 3-4 years of work experience? How can someone highlight their experiences with the lack of a degree?
If it requires a degree it requires a degree. Maybe if you were referred you could get by.
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Old 05-23-2017, 08:35 AM
 
Location: South Florida
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She said integrity "RUINED." As in people caught her and are now judging her. Your integrity isn't ruined if your not caught.
Integrity means honesty and doing the right thing even when no one's looking.
It has nothing to do if you're caught or not.
Liars have no integrity. People who treat others like garbage have no integrity.
It has nothing to do if they're called out on it or not.

OP - live and learn.
We all make mistakes.
Best of luck!

FWIW: Consider sending a hand written note to the hiring managers you interviewed with and come clean and apologize. I'm sure they'd appreciate it, you'll feel better, and maybe.. just maybe... they'll offer you a position. It's at least worth a try.

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Old 05-23-2017, 12:17 PM
 
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Integrity means honesty and doing the right thing even when no one's looking.
It has nothing to do if you're caught or not.
Liars have no integrity. People who treat others like garbage have no integrity.
It has nothing to do if they're called out on it or not.

OP - live and learn.
We all make mistakes.
Best of luck!

FWIW: Consider sending a hand written note to the hiring managers you interviewed with and come clean and apologize. I'm sure they'd appreciate it, you'll feel better, and maybe.. just maybe... they'll offer you a position. It's at least worth a try.
Okay. Then according to you her integrity is already ruined. So then What was the point of not accepting the offer if she already lied and integrity is already ruined?
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Old 05-23-2017, 12:27 PM
 
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Decline the offer.
If even 20 years later - with stellar performance, your falsification is disclosed you can, and likely will be, terminated.
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Old 05-23-2017, 02:50 PM
 
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The whole ordeal was a real eye opener, and I wish I never had lied.
Good. I guess I'm naive, but I can't believe anyone blatantly lies to get a job. Too many pitfalls in that approach. Plus, if you have a moral compass, there is that. Lying to get a job could take the job away from someone who earned it fair and square.
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Old 05-23-2017, 04:26 PM
 
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Good. I guess I'm naive, but I can't believe anyone blatantly lies to get a job. Too many pitfalls in that approach. Plus, if you have a moral compass, there is that. Lying to get a job could take the job away from someone who earned it fair and square.

Fair and square? I have worked hard all my life to make up for my lack of a degree. I don't think you should judge someone based on their credentials. A degree may look nice on a resume, but it does not make someone a competent employer.
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Old 05-23-2017, 06:07 PM
 
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Fair and square? I have worked hard all my life to make up for my lack of a degree. I don't think you should judge someone based on their credentials. A degree may look nice on a resume, but it does not make someone a competent employer.
Then what should they be judged on? Assumptions? Perceptions?
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Old 05-24-2017, 05:48 AM
 
Location: South Florida
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Okay. Then according to you her integrity is already ruined. So then What was the point of not accepting the offer if she already lied and integrity is already ruined?
Integrity is a behavior.
It's not a noun/thing.
Just like we can all be kind one day and not so nice the next day, same with integrity.
The OP messed up, recognized it, and can act with integrity moving forward.
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Old 05-24-2017, 08:07 AM
 
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Fair and square? I have worked hard all my life to make up for my lack of a degree. I don't think you should judge someone based on their credentials. A degree may look nice on a resume, but it does not make someone a competent employer.
Employers do evaluate prospective employees based on their credentials, of course. Isn't that why you lied in the first place? Someone who has the required credentials should not lose out on a job because someone else lied about theirs. Of course, the employer can verify those credentials, and as you found out, that's when lying comes back to bite you. You wasted their time, and it is good that you learned from your mistake.
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Old 05-24-2017, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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Fair and square? I have worked hard all my life to make up for my lack of a degree. I don't think you should judge someone based on their credentials. A degree may look nice on a resume, but it does not make someone a competent employer.
Yeah, well others worked hard their whole lives and have a degree.
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