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Old 01-17-2019, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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Just the terms pain letter and pain interview brings me pain.
I share your pain.
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Old 01-21-2019, 09:52 AM
 
Location: HoCo, MD
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I'm not a salesperson. To me it comes across as slimy and too much self promotion. But is that what someone should do when looking for a job.



I usually stay matter of fact in my cover letters. But I recently decided to highlight (sell) my positives, such as saying that I was able to work unsupervised and independently with minimal training. I feel like an ass saying that, but it's pretty much true. Is saying things like that a good idea, especially if the job will require working independently?
Yes - you need to market/promote yourself. However, HOW you do that is the key.

Just my .02 - but the bolded doesn't really do much as it's just an unsubstantiated claim. Which is what many people don't like about marketing/promotion. Anyone can say that. And what does that really mean? Shouldn't that be expected of every applicant?

How would you summarize your career or last/current position that illustrates the traits you mentioned? e.g. managed/led xyz service for the organization, or created a process to better meet a business goal, etc.
Point is that you want to cite examples that allow the audience to conclude that you don't need supervision or tend to own your stuff. Not sure if this falls under your "matter of fact" scenario. But frivolous claims are not necessarily better.

Nothing makes me lose interest quicker for an applicant than one that describes general skills with with adjectives like great, outstanding, creative, professional, etc. Really? In relation to what?

This is like the prospective employer saying - we're a great company or people love working here. Great - how 'bout you actually tell me what makes you a great company.
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Old 01-24-2019, 09:09 PM
 
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Yes - you need to market/promote yourself. However, HOW you do that is the key.

Just my .02 - but the bolded doesn't really do much as it's just an unsubstantiated claim. Which is what many people don't like about marketing/promotion. Anyone can say that. And what does that really mean? Shouldn't that be expected of every applicant?

How would you summarize your career or last/current position that illustrates the traits you mentioned? e.g. managed/led xyz service for the organization, or created a process to better meet a business goal, etc.
Point is that you want to cite examples that allow the audience to conclude that you don't need supervision or tend to own your stuff. Not sure if this falls under your "matter of fact" scenario. But frivolous claims are not necessarily better.

Nothing makes me lose interest quicker for an applicant than one that describes general skills with with adjectives like great, outstanding, creative, professional, etc. Really? In relation to what?

This is like the prospective employer saying - we're a great company or people love working here. Great - how 'bout you actually tell me what makes you a great company.

I'm trying to make better cover letters. From what I've read and what you said her, it's important to be specific.



For working independently, I've said that I open and closed myself, figure out everything I need for a project and complete the project on my own.



I've gone so far as to find problems with the company and do research on my own time to find solutions. But I never said that.



I just responded to a posting and told them that the job was related to a hobby of mine...a subject I have been interested in and have studied my whole life, which means an over 30 year hobby. That seems significant, since I don't think even 1% of applicants can say that, especially that it's a very odd thing for a hobby.
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Old 01-28-2019, 05:06 PM
 
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I'm trying to make better cover letters. From what I've read and what you said her, it's important to be specific.



For working independently, I've said that I open and closed myself, figure out everything I need for a project and complete the project on my own.



I've gone so far as to find problems with the company and do research on my own time to find solutions. But I never said that.



I just responded to a posting and told them that the job was related to a hobby of mine...a subject I have been interested in and have studied my whole life, which means an over 30 year hobby. That seems significant, since I don't think even 1% of applicants can say that, especially that it's a very odd thing for a hobby.



I realize I am replying to my own post. Anyway, I got a phone interview set up for Wednesday, for the job I was referring to here.



It's for a jr. real estate analyst job. I said in my cover letter that this has been a life long hobby of mine and I'm looking for a new career. I have been following the real estate market since grade school. As a child, I would read the real estate section of the newspaper and read all of the listing ads. It was a family hobby. We would see open house signs and all guess the price, then grab the flyer to see who was right. I could give guess of a home price probably within 5% of asking for almost any house.



Since the internet, I would like to spend any hours looking at zillow and other sites. And beyond that I have read all sorts of reports and date regarding the market.



So I was wondering how much I should go into talking about all these things I am interested in. I actually have cut back on the time I spend on looking at listings, because I felt like it was impractical and wasted time. But if I get a job related to this, I will be really happy, because I can do the research I would like to do in my free time, without feeling like I am procrastinating on other things I should be doing. And at work I would be exposed to all sorts of things that interest me.
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